Isn't Helen Webberley still prevented from providing services in UK?

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Because she's being quoted as an expert in this article.
inews.co.uk/news/puberty-blockers-transgender-rights-nhs-gender-clinic-uk-tavistock/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

According to this statement, they have Employed and trained European doctors to do the prescribing, under their guidance.🤨

gendergp.co.uk/gendergp-will-care-for-you-as-long-as-you-need-us-to/

Chemists would need access to a database of all doctors in the EU , but I doubt that exists.

www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk/feature/foreign-scripts-qa

How can I check if an EEA/Swiss prescription is genuine?
In order to check if an EEA/Swiss prescription is genuine and written by an appropriate authorised practitioner, the pharmacist may need to contact the registering body of doctors or dentists of the relevant EEA country/Switzerland (equivalent of the GMC or GDC in the UK, respectively).

This implies that the pharmacist has responsibility for checking that a foreign prescription is genuine, and that the doctor is registered. A check with the GMC would show that Webberley is suspended, regardless of where she sends prescriptions from. Clear Chemist must know this, and shouldn't be sending patients to her. The regulators should be acting on this and not telling people who complain that the pharmacy has done nothing wrong. I think they may have removed her GMC number from their site following complaints, but they still mention her and her illegally-run clinic by name.

Thanks for that link, umbel. From that it looks as though other doctors are now writing the prescriptions.

Mike and I are unable to prescribe any more but we have taken safe and secure steps to make sure that nobody is without care while we wait for the NHS to step up to the mark. We have moved the management hub of GenderGP and the medical care outside of the UK until it is safe to bring it back. Our European doctors have been specially trained to advise and prescribe for you, once you have undergone the GenderGP appraisal pathway that has become so popular and well-respected.

This means that your medication will continue, nobody will come to harm. The prescriptions will go to ClearChemist as usual and be delivered to you in the same way. Your GP will receive treatment summaries which will instruct them what to prescribe and what blood tests they need to do if they do not feel able to look after you by themselves.

So the rogue doctor thinks so much of herself, that she thinks she can 'instruct' other doctors about what they should be prescribing.

Are no checks made on who has written prescriptions and whether they are legally allowed to do so?

I don't know enough about how pharmacists work to answer that, but I'd be amazed if they check routinely, given the number of prescriptions they process. I'd guess that they only check if a script raises suspicions - and that's more likely to be if it looks forged or altered than concerns about what's actually prescribed, unless it's something really obviously dodgy like 1000 temazepam. I doubt many pharmacists would be put on alert by a PB script. But hopefully an actual pharmacist will comment on this thread.

Helen Webberley tribunal review case hearing 2nd August 2019. Outcome: Suspension maintained
Mike Webberley tribunal review case hearing 5th August 2019. Outcome: Suspension maintained. t.co/uS5wmDV6g2

A well-respected prescribing model? That resulted in the Webberleys being suspended? How do those things fit together?

Sunset thanks for update. Good to see there are standards.

I know this is an old thread, but you are all very misinformed about the services Dr Webberley had offered her trans patients. I am a 44 year old female to Male patient of gendergp and I can honestly say that Doctor Webberley, her husband and their team were and still are more experienced than most of the NHS gender clinic specialists. They show the compassion and understanding that is lacking in the NHS. They didn’t dish gender altering drugs out to all and sundry. I had to go through assessments and also a counselling session before I was even considered for treatment. If there is one once of doubt then treatment in the form of hormone therapy would not be offered and a more support based treatment would be offered. I know if this support had been around when I was as young as 6 or 7 then giving me puberty blockers to stall my puberty until I was old enough to be considered for testosterone would have stopped 38 years of me despising myself and the depression and social anxiety that it brought on. If you think children aren’t capable of knowing what gender they feel they are then you are very short sighted. I remember when I was three years old and being very confused as to why my mother was dressing me in skirts when I knew i was a boy. I am not trying to start an argument but thought it might be beneficial for you all to hear from an older trans person about how they felt as a child. I am guessing you have always felt the same gender that matched your physical appearance so I can see how it’s hard to relate to and understand but all I ask is that you open your minds and give children who feel this way the support needed and access to proper healthcare because as it stands, the NHS is failing all Transgender people miserably. Dr Webberley is highly respected all over the world except in the UK - it is our NHS medical system that is failing and not Dr Webberley. I would not be alive today if I had not found Dr Webberley and been assessed for treatment. Do not get fished in by the negative media nonsense around Dr Webberley - half of it is untrue or twisted negatively to sell newspapers. If you have any questions I am more than happy to answer them ✌🏻

Hi @Cw19752

I'm a tad confused by your post.

You claim to have had "female to male" surgery. How? It isn't possible to change sex.

Also, you state that you were confused when your mother dressed you in skirts as a child. Why? Skirts have nothing to do with your biological sex. Anywhere can wear a skirt.

*anyone (not anywhere)

I forgot to add that yes - many NHS doctors supported Dr Webberley (Mine included) and have a shared care agreement with Gendergp. I obtain my Testosterone through the NHS via a prescription from my NHS GP who receives recommended dosages from Gendergp. Every 3 months my NHS doctor takes my blood works and sends the results to Gendergp who will revise my dosage if necessary. My NHS gp surgery has always been happy with the service gender gp offers as they have much more knowledge and experience than the NHS can currently offer by themselves.

Cw, it's one thing to feel that the course of action you have taken is right for you. But you have no way of knowing what the outcome would have been for you had you been on puberty blockers as a child, which is half the objection to them being prescribed currently, and it's really unwise and unhelpful to children struggling with their sense of self like this to not offer proper, robust, tested care, which the current situation is.

You are mistaken if you think no one here understands or has experienced a disconnect between a sense of self and being comfortable in their body. I'm glad you have found a sense of peace, but Webberley's practices are rightly criticized and there is a reason she operates abroad now.

Cw - the subject of this thread is Helen Webberley's suspension and criminal charges.

I checked whether posters on this thread were, as you say, misinformed. On this matter you are incorrect. There was a hearing recently (Jan 2020) and the suspension remains.
www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/interim-orders-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley

I am guessing you have always felt the same gender that matched your physical appearance

Please don't "guess" anybody's gender.

Bugger, I am TheGuiltyPrawn. Silly nonsense name changes to make puns, and I forget to change back. I'd be such a rubbish sock puppeteer!!

Ok - well I guess this goes back to the point I made in that it is hard for someone who is born with their body and mind aligned to know how it’s feels to have a body that conflicts with how their mind is.

The skirt thing - well even in this day you don’t send your son to school in a skirt because it was and still is seen as a feminine item of clothing. 36 ish years ago this was even more the case.

I have not had surgery, I take medication (testosterone) and a hormone blocker for oestrogen so that my body is aligning more to a male type body to match my mind. It is an horrendous inner conflict and I don’t expect anyone to understand it who hasn’t felt it themselves and so it is very difficult to explain.

I have been on the NHS waiting list to see the Gender clinic for over 3 years and I still haven’t even yet had an offer for my first appointment. They wont even give out waiting list estimates any more because they are so inadequately staffed due lack of specialists in that field of expertise. It’s at breaking point and because of this a lot of trans people are taking their own lives. I am lucky to have a supportive wife but other people/kids don’t have supportive parents or family members. Doctor Webberley and her team are respected by a lot of the medical professionals but due to lack of knowledge in the uk in this area the GMC have no base line to decide what is deemed adequate qualifications to practice in this field.

CW, can I please caution you most strongly about saying without any qualification that 'lots of trans people are taking their own lives'. It's a profoundly dangerous way to talk about a complex issue.

Many of us have felt a disconnect between body and sense of self. I really don't understand why you cannot accept that others may have similar experiences but dealt with them differently. Most of us here don't believe there is such a thing as an innate 'gender identity' - there is our sex, and there are a whole lot of unhelpful ideas layered on top of that which make up 'gender'. Feminists reject it.

So I guess that makes me the Innocent Prawn, Floral? I'm blushing..

What's up tonight? A few posts on threads giving the other side of the issues...
My daughter is 3, she already "knows" pink is for girls, she said she doesn't like the tent her granda gave her because it isn't pink.
and yet she's been playing in it constantly.

I do not like sex stereotypes.
I do not like that female characters in kids shows have eyelashes and the males don't.
I do not like that most girls have unwanted male attention when we hit puperty or before.
I didn't have a gender identity when I was 6 and I do not have one now.
What about Keira Bell, hormones at 16 and a masetomy at 19 and now regrets it.
Do you really think a 6 or 7 year old should have puperty blockers?
We are not enemies cw

Puberty blockers only stop the physical aspects of puberty taking hold such as breasts in girls, voice breaking in boys, facial and body hair in boys. As soon as you come off them your body will just start puberty. It gives younger trans individuals time to have counselling etc and to explore and figure out the way they wish to go forward.

Young or old - you might regret your decision to transition, but that is why everyone is given counselling at the start of treatment.

My NHS GP and many others happily work with Gender GP as they support their work. Dr Webberley’s actions are being scandalised due to lack of understanding by the GMC. Her practices are seen as normal by most countries - it is just our lack of understanding in the UK that has lead to Dr Webberley and her Husband being demonised in the press.

I didn’t assume anyone’s gender by the way, I assumed that your body aligned with your mind - this was based on the fact that you have limited knowledge of Uk trans healthcare. But if you are transgender then I apologise and would be happy to compare your experiences of the system to mine.

So you think it's fine that webberley gave drugs to children illegally?

Your body aligned with your mind.
I do not have a female or lady brain.
I am female because if my biology.
My mind, do you mean my personality or/and how I think of myself?

Cw, please do not spread misinformation in your eagerness to promote this doctor.

The drugs used to block puberty are not a harmless pause and more goes on in puberty than the physical changes you have mentioned. They are not without consequence, even when used for children with precocious puberty, and it is irresponsible and inaccurate to suggest they are.

As we have mentioned, most of us here reject gender entirely. We simply accept sex. That says nothing about how we feel about ourselves in the bodies we find ourselves in.

from inews:
"Dr Helen Webberley believes the number of young trans people suffering from mental health issues because of puberty blockers is reason for children to be allowed to transition sooner, rather than later.

"Puberty blockers are the most natural way for a child to be given the space they need to think about their gender," Dr Webberley told i. "The UK is the only place where children are forced to have at least a year on puberty blockers, even if they already know their gender identity."

Natural?

February 2019 BMJ EBM Spotlight paper by Prof Carl Heneghan
'Gender-affirming hormone in children and adolescents – Evidence review'
Posted on 25th February 2019

(extract)
"Gender dysphoria occurs when a person experiences discomfort or distress because of a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. Gender dysphoria can arise in childhood and adolescent which raises many questions about how best to handle the condition. This post sets out the current evidence for gender-affirming hormones in adolescents and children to aid decision making. (continues)

"Conclusions

There are significant problems with how the evidence for Gender-affirming cross-sex hormone has been collected and analysed that prevents definitive conclusions to be drawn. Similar to puberty blockers, the evidence is limited by small sample sizes; retrospective methods, loss of considerable numbers of patients in follow-up. The majority of studies also lack a control group (only two studies used controls). Interventions have heterogeneous treatment regimes complicating comparisons between studies. Also adherence to the interventions are either not reported or at best inconsistent. Subjective outcomes, which are highly prevalent in the studies, are also prone to bias due to lack of blinding, and many effects can be explained by regression to the mean.

The development of these interventions should, therefore, occur in the context of research. Treatments for under 18 gender dysphoric children and adolescents remain largely experimental. There are a large number of unanswered questions that include the age at start, reversibility; adverse events, long term effects on mental health, quality of life, bone mineral density, osteoporosis in later life and cognition. We wonder whether off label use is appropriate and justified for drugs such as spironolactone which can cause substantial harms, including death. We are also ignorant of the long-term safety profiles of the different GAH regimens. The current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice."
blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/

The skirt thing - well even in this day you don’t send your son to school in a skirt because it was and still is seen as a feminine item of clothing. 36 ish years ago this was even more the case.

But girls don't have to wear skirts. I had to wear them for school, but rarely did so outside school or since I left school in the 70s. Surely you wouldn't change your body just because you dislike an item of clothing which has been randomly assigned as 'female' in our society?

Gender is an oppressive concept. We'd all be better off without it. I'm female but can do what I want whether society labels those things as 'for men' or 'for women'. We don't have to follow arbitrary rules like that.