Irish feminists; what the hell is happening over there?

[MrsSnippyPants]

The abuse this woman is receiving is shocking. All she did was express concern that female prisoners are being forced to share a prison with a male sex offender.
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I spotted a discussion there on the What Baffles You? thread prompted by the removal of the venus symbol from Always packaging. It was interesting to see that the contributors were all, with one notable exception, gender critical.

This is actually a really interesting case study of a society with very traditional values (male dominance, Catholic religion, nationalism) suddenly adopting very liberal values. The emphasis on faith and devotion remain

It's a bit Cultural Revolution, isn't it? New Revolutionary China always looked, well, very similar to the Old Imperialist China. Exactly the same kind of deference to the authority figure in the center.

It's depressingly ironic that the well-intentioned ET schools are the most likely to fall for the utter bollocks that TENI come up with. They were supposed to be a new start after centuries of Catholic indoctrination but you can't trust them now.

Last time I looked, the person in TENI advising schools and parents has a BA in social policy. No qualifications in education, psychology or medicine apart from "having a trans child". What on earth are her credentials here?? It's Mermaids all over again.

Did anyone hear this segment on liveline the other day? www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21691922

Oh god, what am I hearing....
"she was born in the wrong body"

What a load of horse poo....and so many people are quick to jump to talk to Joe so they can signal how wise/tolerant/kind/cross/righteous they are.

Those poor children...their father should be moving as slowly as possible to ensure that they are safe and happy and secure before introducing such a big change into their loves.

OMG that batshit woman from Limerick saying the children should be told daddy has died, go into grief counselling, and then introduce them to the 'new person' as a 'replacement' .

Because he doesn't want to be daddy, he's 'come away from that' now, and 'yoh have to respect that.'

To hell with respecting the children, of course. Just lie to them and gaslight them and let them grieve their dad who is alive and kicking and whose desires and decisions must be respected at all costs.

Hells bells - that thread! They come across as rabid. As though they are snarling and drooling saliva. That is more than woke though - the rage is palpable. Why so angry? I don't get it. I am so glad I am not growing up with this BS.

yes, indeed RaveOn I felt very uncomfortable about that.

Plenty of following the party line and not much in the way of thinking for herself...and she claimed to be a teacher with many years of working with children.

Anyone who works with children and who has trained in safeguarding knows that the child's integrity is your primary responsibility...not validating the "feelings" of an adult.

I was agreeing with her in the beginning about the child needing to grieve because it IS a loss but he hasn't died and presenting it as such is so wrong.

The only upside of that piece was that Joe was less tabloid than I would have expected.

Have any of you decided what you're going to ask the door steppers in the next couple of weeks? I'll be honest, I don't even know where to start as none of the canvassers round here will have a clue what I'm talking about if I ask about self I'd.

I emailed all my candidates in August, heard nothing. Emailed again in October, heard nothing. Emailed again now the election has been called. Still heard nothing but if they come to my door they'll get an earful. I'd also go after them on social media except I really can't put any even vaguely identifying information on Twitter.

I'm trying to imagine Danny Healy Rae's reaction if he was asked about self id

Great to see an Irish woman speaking at the LGB Alliance launch in Scotland today!

Who was that Twistables? My DH sent a canvasser away today while I was upstairs sorting clothes. For their own safety he said . He’s probably right.

But what to ask them? I think I’m going to start with their policy on women. Talk about how the GRA doesn’t protect women.

I've been thinking about this XXSex...what to ask if anyone dares to knock at my door ( I have sooo many issues to question them on).

Is anyone up to date on what the legislation is here?

There's Regina Doherty's plans to allow children 16+ to self-identify.

What about sex-based rights for women?

Yes, what do we say to the politicians??

It’s a small place and I do think it can get quickly overrun with aggressive individuals, speaking for others when that’s not the view.

Living in rural Ireland, and being feminist and English is bloody hard! I still am quite dismayed by how hard I have to battle even simple things like:

• getting flexible working
• saying it’s fine for women / daughters to travel and explore, I’ve even been questioned about my safety going for a walk!
• Having a pregnancy where I felt some of it was my choice - it’s like getting in line we will weigh you and decide for you’
• having a job as a woman where I use my brain. Getting decent childcare. Ridiculously tough.
• having to come off social media as in laws posting anti abortion rhetoric, being told off if I’ve ‘stepped over the mark’ by in laws with my DH.
• education - trying to get a mixed sex school impossible, getting odd looks if I challenged teachers.
• hearing takes from my lovely close irish female friends about their younger lives where one had to give a child up for adoption age 18 (it would have shamed the boys family apparently so in secrets even her mother still doesn’t know), teenage girls expected to look after other children but never boys etc.
• culture still very much keep things in the family which includes domestic violence, alcoholism, abuse.
• total trust and deference to authority.
• blame the English. Slower to look inward and blame those actually currently responsible.

Sorry this has turned into a bit of a rant!
So I’m not surprised this poor woman has been turned against. There are a lot of good women and men here but overwhelming mass of injustice towards women still.

Freezingold -"having a job as a woman where I use my brain", what? Do you mean it's hard to get flexible working and affordable childcare (because it is, I agree). Because what you said came across a bit odd otherwise.Ireland is full of extremely high flying well paid women (not one myself but I know many!)

I agree about the extraordinary anger and nastiness of the Irish Woke Twitter gang. I know people who have had their livelihoods threatened and even damaged by them simply for having a different opinion. It's an interesting albeit depressing study into the psychology of mobs. They are not representative of everyday people and when that clash occurs it will be interesting.

If they did the crime, they do the time. If you ask me it's a deserved punishment

@pachyderm unfortunately yes barriers on all sides, flexible working, childcare, but also I’m looked at with suspicion from local people, particularly other women I have to say more than men, because I’m well qualified. And the majority of well paid jobs where I am are dominated by men too so it was extremely difficult to find work. I don’t know if it is because I am rurally based. I do know some other women in well paid jobs however they also expressed how hard it was and most of them ‘proved’ themselves overseas before coming back and almost all of them don’t have children.