Irish feminists; what the hell is happening over there?

[MrsSnippyPants]

The abuse this woman is receiving is shocking. All she did was express concern that female prisoners are being forced to share a prison with a male sex offender.
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Picking up my dd from a summer camp at UCD yesterday I spotted this. So "you" choose and the rest of us get no choice as to who turns up in the bathroom? And given this was in the sports area I'm not sure if facilities also include changing rooms. Lovely!

For the poster who suggested universities are not cauldrons of wokeness this really makes me question that claim.

Just reviving this as I notice Roisin Ingle has liked one of Rachel Moran's tweets about this. TBH, I'm pleasantly surprised she's acknowledged the issue at all. I like Roisin's take on a lot of things but I didn't think she'd dip her toe in here.

Wow. Great if róisín ingle liked Rachel morans tweet! I've been hoping that róisín would turn. I think she's scared to. Just like Rachel, I'm incredibly disappointed by Irish feminism

The wokeness here is tragic, to be honest. It would be amazing if the ilk of Roisin Ingle nailed her colours to the mast but sadly the place is so small that it actually could cost her a lot.
At least theres a platform here to chat I left twitter and deleted my account as I had a pile on recently, because I cant lose my job.
Sad to see my Alma Mater so woke they forgot about 50% of their students...I was there way back, a female student was raped and more were attacked early mornings by a serial rapist (90's, in case anyone here from then). His MO was to hide in bushes and get them as they either came home late or went to early jobs. Not a SINGLE THING did UCD do to prevent future attacks, I walked to work at 6.30am each day after that and god help every nesting bird the bushes, I nearly murdered each one. No security, no extra patrols, no help.
Not shocked they are throwing females under the 46a at all.

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I remember that. I also seem to remember that once he got released from jail he got a flat beside UCD, wandered the Campus and was quite arrogant when questioned about it.

I’m so glad I found this forum- I’ve been observing, with minor posts of dissent, this absolute pile-on on the above Facebook group- there’s a worse one recently. The vitriol and group-think is really shocking.
Lib-fems have taken over pretty much every Irish feminist space - can’t find any groups with a gender-critical stance- it’s v disheartening.
Anyway, I joined mumsnet just to say thanks for being a presence

Steelasprey, just saw that. The utter morons with their ignorant foul abuse of a woman who has been a feminist and gay rights activist since before some of them were born. They have absolutely no knowledge what feminism is. And sucking up to a male American who knows NOTHING of Irish women's shared history and experience. I'm embarrassed for them.

What happened? And is it the usual misfits?

I won't link but it's on their FB page, the same group of abusive bullies piling onto the same poster. They show themselves for who they are.

for Jean if she is here.

Yes- all the to Jean- she is dignified and constant in the face of horrendous abuse. I really wish I was braver...

Jean is awesome. They have no real arguments to counter what she's saying which is why they resort to insults and smears.

Hi guys I just found this thread (was away when it started). To the person who dropped her DD in UCD - I keep posting about how completely crazy it is - to the point of nullifying research with stupidity but as I am very junior in my area I cannot say too much here in case I out myself.

Delighted that Roisin Ingle is on the side of the sane - unfortunately not many in the IT are (as I have noted on this site many times before). Although I saw Donald Clarke dip his toe gently into the fray a few weeks ago - so gently most people probably missed it, but I was still grateful (imagine how sad that is!!). It saddens me that all of the things that I as a feminist take issue with (including surrogacy, porn, prostitution etc) are just accepted as fait accompli in Ireland now, it's as if we have to bend over backwards to assure people that we have released ourselves from the shackles of Christianity and are now truly the wokest of the woke.

Does anyone with children in Ireland have information about primary schools and what’s being taught there? I seem tobha

Sorry, I meant to finish: I seem to have read about issues in the UK but not sure about Ireland. Does anyone have experience of Educate Together schools?

Meqpip, I've a DC in 3rd class in an ET. I l haven't had a proper chance to look at the sphe curriculum for this year but it's on my list. From memory of my older niece's school, the sex Ed stuff started in 5th class but that's a while back.

Did anyone hear about TCD's new policy on pronouns? So much wokeaid [[https://www.universitytimes.ie/2019/09/trinity-introduces-gender-neutral-option-on-official-records/]

We're fast catching up with the whole ideology www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2019/1018/1084291-irish-parents-on-supporting-their-transgender-children-in-school/
2 1/2 year old 'trans child' ffs!

See, ludog, I can understand that there are children who struggle with their gender identity and who want to be something other than a narrow gender conforming boy/girl.

However, I do have a problem, when that child's needs are prioritised over my child's need for privacy and respect.

There was a good article linked elsewhere on this site (I''ll see if I can find it) where it explained that gay rights are about equality with straight rights. Neither imposes by diminishing the other.

But, there are some elements of trans friendly policies that impose on others. E.g. the insistence on pronouns, or the "right" to be in a changing room, prison or bathroom that people of the opposite sex use.
To me, that is about ideology.
And that ideology seems to care not one whit about XX female people.

Does anyone with children in Ireland have information about primary schools and what’s being taught there?

No mention of it being talked about at all in primary (and it is at home so would come up) and I've one finished recently and one still there. But in secondary school there's some pretty sloppy/imo inaccurate info on what it is to be trans included in both text books my children have used.

In 5th class they get an introduction to a BeLonGTo list of words and what they mean. They talk about transgender but as the list doesnt include the concept of gender non conforming this isn’t really discussed.

So they open their minds to transgenserism but don’t teach them GNC. Ridiculous.

All documents are here. Our ET only used some. www.belongto.org/all-together-now/

In 6th they go into more detail. My children know you can’t change sex.

God, I'm so glad mine are out of school. TENI and Belong to seem to be getting into organisations quietly and planting their dogma. Rational, sensible people I know have swallowed it whole and are aghast to discover how 'bigoted' I am (when I feel safe enough to stick my head above the parapet, that is).

When you read the secondary school SPHE books you can tell which bits have been cut & pasted from their websites/leaflets. No attempt to actually think through the idiocy of statements being made. I think use of the term "assigned" is a good warning flag.

I'm "monitoring" my 5th class child to see what they get told. Not in an ET school (CoI and it has always been cautious on RSE content to date). I will be into the school without hesitation if they suggest you can change sex.

Belong came into the Scout group a couple of years back - it was described as a counter to homophobic bullying and I'm all in favour of that. But I had no idea that they were now on the trans activist path.

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