Irish feminists; what the hell is happening over there?

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The abuse this woman is receiving is shocking. All she did was express concern that female prisoners are being forced to share a prison with a male sex offender.
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To me, its far more chilling than an argument on facebook that none of the broadsheets have reported this story. As far as I can find, its only been in the Sunday World (print version) and on the DublinLive website.

Ireland is constantly held up as an example of self ID working perfectly yet it is increasingly looking like there is a code of silence going on in the Irish media. Its not like infamous prisoners aren't repeatedly reported on in general especially when there is extra resources involved in their incarceration.

As they say when England sneezes Ireland catches a cold and I will be surprised if there aren't a lot more transfers in the near future.

Ireland hasn’t accepted transgenderism wholeheartedly
We weren't asked about self id, it was written in because it wasn’t part of the constitution and didn’t need to go to a vote.. I really wouldn’t base Ireland’s views on self id and transgenderism in this FB page!
Yes there are a few from lgbtq who are jumping on the bandwagon.
Most of the people I speak to think men can’t be women

miri There was a piece on Newstalk last week about it, by way of mainstream media. Podcast heree*.

It wasn't too bad - 2 women on to discuss the case: one GC feminist and someone from the Irish Penal Reform Trust who basically said the prison service was in a bind.

I agree the silence from the IT and Indo is notable.

miri There was a piece on Newstalk last week about it, by way of mainstream media. Podcast heree*.

It wasn't too bad - 2 women on to discuss the case: one GC feminist and someone from the Irish Penal Reform Trust who basically said the prison service was in a bind.

I agree the silence from the IT and Indo is notable.

Sorry about duplicate post!

It's basically a manifestation of the culture war going on.

Its like the US with the Democrats. If you are against religious bigotry you must be for LGBT rights. If you aren't you are a religious bigot.

There being no nuisance.

It's all about the self serving 'liberal identity' not the issue.

Thanks MarDhea the newstalk piece was more balanced than I expected

OkPedro Sorry I didn't mean to offend, I said that Ireland has embraced because self ID is law over there (although I have since read that it's not quite as simple as self ID and there are several conditions attached to it).

I was also going on responses to this thread, where other Irish feminists have said that it is largely accepted there, rather than solely going on the facebook post. That was the reason for my question, to ask whether it's everyone or just the woke youth who have adopted it.

It's not everyone.

Step away from Twitter and social media bubbles and hardly anyone in Ireland is aware of self id, let alone vociferously supports it.

Numbers of trans people in Ireland appear to be very small, which is probably one reason for the lack of awareness. Even given the ease of self ID, only a few hundred gender recognition certs have been issued in over 3 years, out of a population of 4.8 million. That's tiny; similar to the proportion of gender recognition certs issued in the UK under the medical gatekeeping route. It's a different landscape here.

We are theorising Josepheen, pointing out patterns and potential patterns rather than saying things are set in stone. I don't think what Lumiere said was a sweeping statement, she was just building on the discussion from previous posts.

That's interesting MarDhea, thanks for sharing. Have you had things happen like we have had in the Labour Party with certain individuals self Iding into women's officer roles? It's hard to work out the bigger picture since the media is so unbalanced, twitter so unbalanced etc.

I agree that this is part of Nationalism Núa. An attempt to show ideological distance with the UK, and the biggest supporters will all have their kids in Gaelscoileanna

Yeah that's bollocks. Labhraim Gaeilge freisin and I'm as GC as they come, and I'll never ever give my vote to SF. Irish language =/= nationalism =/= Wokeus Dei.

AnotherAHF Re women's officer roles in political parties, not as far as I'm aware. We have no equivalent of the LM situation here, unless there's a student's union branch somewhere that I haven't heard about.

MarDhea no LM situation but the universities are a nightmare of woke misogyny, with bullying of lesbians the norm, so I expect it's only a matter of time. The stuff I've heard from young GC women and what they're up against really worries me.

MarDhea
Thank you for your comments. What you said resonates greatly with me.

frankexchange - we know who the bigoted one is, then. You can't send your child to a school that teaches the native language without being accused of racism...?

pachyderm I know the workings of one university here pretty well and it's not completely woke at all.

Student activists: earnestly holding a candlelit vigil on transgender day of remembrance while tweeting and IGing every 2 mins.

Majority of student body: passing said vigil with a "what's that?" (or in one case I heard "who died"?) and happily using the male and female toilets and sports changing rooms in the university because they assume the new gender neutral ones are for transgender students.

Staff: very few strong views expressed either way but no default woke groupthink. Everyone I have heard mention the sex offender in the Dochas Centre has been against it.

University management: quietly implementing third-space solutions everywhere to meet their obligations under the Equal Status Act, and writing gender identity and expression policies to match. The ones I have seen (from different universities) all differ quite a bit but are not too bad.

There's no hive mind in the Irish University sector, as far as I can see.

Meant to add - the student LGBTQ+... socs do seem to be all about the T, through. I can easily believe that lesbian students are having a horrible time if they come in contact with the society at all