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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Irish feminists; what the hell is happening over there?

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MrsSnippyPants · 04/08/2019 10:35

The abuse this woman is receiving is shocking. All she did was express concern that female prisoners are being forced to share a prison with a male sex offender.
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NottonightJosepheen · 06/08/2019 11:06

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3timeslucky · 06/08/2019 12:58

To Irish women, is this idea mainly still confined to the youth or have the older generations adopted it too?

I noticed in my (14 year old) son's SPHE text book the use of the term "assigned" (as of assigned at birth) and it seemed clear to me that what's being written is from an unquestioning/unthinking/uniformed default wokeness. IIRC the book was written (at least in part) by a Home Ec teacher which didn't seem like the obvious choice for good SPHE so who knows where her "expertise" came from (or her information).

The very fact of LGB always appearing as LGBTQ (add in whatever you like) means that being supportive of gay rights has been conflated with support of Trans and Queer ideologies. So there's a level of unconscious slippage into a totally different area.

The young and older women of the Repeal movement - or certainly the louder ones - are unquestioning. And that AFAIK includes Ailbhe Smyth (would be delighted to be corrected on that). But it is hard to get a real sense because these women and loud and aggressive and were well-trained in the Repeal campaign and are all over social media. How many they are I don't know. I'm in my 50s and GC. I have a good friends who are similar (and were involved in Repeal). Most people don't even seem to be aware of the issue - or self-ID. And it isn't surprising. The madness is not discussed, so you largely have well-intentioned unthinking people tacking the "T" onto their support for LGB rights and not giving it any thought at all - and not being prompted to either.

Universities are one of the few areas where "the bathroom issue" hit the media. All the Women's Studies departments are now Gender Studies which always feels like a red flag to me. Writers like Emily Pine who lectures in UCD writes passionately about being a woman but then casually describes herself as "cis". I do wonder how pervasive Trans ideology is in college. I've a son starting this year (who has been instinctively dismissive of the idea of "wrong sex" or changing sex since he first came across the idea) and I'll be interested to learn how he sees it as a student. His feeling to date is that while Trans ideology is nonsense you can't call it out in school without being seen as a bigot (he felt much safer as a primary school child calling out religious faith-based "inconsistencies" or nonsense as he saw it even in a faith-based school than he does trans ideology which says a lot).

The media is certainly unerringly unquestioning and utterly disinterested. Niall Boylan (who I don't know from Adam) is the only media person I've seen actively and overtly call out the nonsense. Fintan O'Toole called out the notion of cis-privilege but went no further. There's no questioning, no thinking, no challenge. Our media is more than a bit rubbish generally but really has shown itself up on this issue.

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AgileLass · 06/08/2019 13:02

Ryan Tubridy did interview John Boyne after that whole kerfuffle. Tubridy was half “the modern world is crazy” and half “even an old fogey like me has learned about the brave new world of transgenderism”.

AgileLass · 06/08/2019 13:04

I think there is definitely a proportion of Gaelscoil families that are middle class racists dressed up as „focussed on educational performance“.

I agree with this and have indirect experience of it.

TheTitOfTheIceberg · 06/08/2019 13:18

Do the Woke Stasi ever consider the converse situation - a transman in a men's prison? They wouldn't be in any danger or require any additional support or security for their own protection, would they? Hmm

Juells · 06/08/2019 13:32

They wouldn't be in any danger or require any additional support or security for their own protection, would they?

Because they know that trying to tell men that TMAM is a lost cause.

MarDhea · 06/08/2019 13:33

The madness is not discussed, so you largely have well-intentioned unthinking people tacking the "T" onto their support for LGB rights and not giving it any thought at all - and not being prompted to either.

This x 1000.

So few people in Ireland know any transgender people personally - because they are so few in number here - that it's entirely possible to sail though life without it ever coming up. Benign fuzzy goodwill towards transgender people just about sums it up.

barfotoliv · 06/08/2019 15:39

I'm GC and I've tried on numerous occasions to speak to my friends about the dangers of this ideology with no success. Their general arguments seem to be "but you can't let one bad egg ruin it for everyone" wrt to e.g. JY; or outrage at the idea that I wouldn't allow trans women who have suffered enough into female spaces and the hardship they'd endure if forced to use only male spaces. It's... discouraging. My friends are highly educated, successful women. I echo a lot of what has been said. I think they know deep down TWAW is not true but they're so invested in their own identities as liberal, inclusive progressives that they deny it, even to themselves. I feel very alone in my opinions here and it does get me down.

MinnieTheSphinx · 06/08/2019 15:43

*My friends are highly educated, successful women"

And yet it never once occurs to you that they might have analysed the situation and come to their own honestly held opinions? They have to be woke or dishonest?

barfotoliv · 06/08/2019 15:45

Yes, exactly Minnie. Because women don't have penises. Anyone who thinks that is deluded or dishonest.

MinnieTheSphinx · 06/08/2019 15:48

Be honest to yourself then and tell them your full views on the subject.

barfotoliv · 06/08/2019 15:52

I have many times, including this week. It always ends in heated debates such as those in my first post on this thread. They are still my best friends though. Why wouldn't I be honest with them?

barfotoliv · 06/08/2019 15:55

Although, as it happens, I have decided this week after our last debate not to bring it up with them again. I've accepted I'm never going to bring them round to my way of thinking. And I'm tired of debating it with them. I'll keep my GC views to MN (mostly) from now on.

RuffleCrow · 06/08/2019 15:57

Just goes to show 'when people stop believing in religion they don't believe in nothing, they'll believe in anything' holds true in this case.

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