Irish feminists; what the hell is happening over there?

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The abuse this woman is receiving is shocking. All she did was express concern that female prisoners are being forced to share a prison with a male sex offender.
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Irish feminism has been highkacked by tras and mras.

Also someone upthread said they were "republican" but they aren't. They would shite themselves at the sight of a republican feminist who'd batter their shite with logic.

The "genuine Irish feminist" movement as they call themselves is anything but feminist

When they wrote their "no to English TERFs" letter i demolished it on my old Twitter account point by point especially rhw reference to imperialism because none of them lived it. None of them grew up under the imperialism and most of them think the north is a Place to go for cheap shopping.

They are a disgrace to Irish feminism and are trying to take us back to a time when we were controlled by a cult of men in frocks, while denouncing the old cult.

As my granny used to say, there are wiser locked up

I think that it’s caused by the same things that are causing it in the uk, usa and if that thread earlier today is anything to go by, in aus and NZ. It’s not a phenomenon that’s specific a to Ireland and it’s no worse in Ireland IMHO. I’m not sure that reaching for explanations from our social history will help; It’s the on-line anglosphere at work here.

God, it's really refreshing to know there are GC Irish women on here, the social media environment can seem so exclusively transpositive and it's very difficult to raise your head above the parapet. I'm on a big parenting group on FB which is great in lots of ways, but I know that even the most benign questioning of trans ideology would have me drummed out instantly.
The most frustrating aspect of that is that 99% of the members there would be gender critical by instinct - everyone's actively against gender stereotyping, there are plenty of couples performing non-traditional gender roles, and so on. It's just that nobody seems to see how regressive transgenderism is in that respect. It's very clear whenever the topic come up - usually in a "I just realised my friend is a TERF and I'm so upset" post - that there is zero actual understanding of the GC arguments.

AppropriateAdult You’re not on Mas On A Mission are you? (Got anyone who doesn’t know, it’s an Irish 70k member Facebook group)

There was a post last week asking how people felt about the 6 year old trans kids. Plenty of comments along the lines of “When my kid was six he thought he could be a dinosaur”, but there was one woman who came and made a neutral comment, but linked to the GIDS whistleblower and the Stella O’Malley documentary. She was definitely a MNer.

Josepheen I get that you feel really strongly about this, and there’s no doubt that it was a racist comment from PP’s friend. However at this stage you've made your point and to keep revisiting it is just derailing what is a really valuable thread for Irish GC women.

The other poster can read- I’m sure between the pair of you, one can decide that you’re not going to convince the other to change their viewpoint, to not reply and let this thread get back to talking about Irish feminism.

I'm worried about the Irish Girl Guides who are taking advice from TENI from what I can make out. There was a briefing for leader a few months back on how to include boys who identify as girls. I wasn't able to go so I don't know what was actually discussed, and I'm only a leader a wet week, but I've seen the slides and they concern me.

I'm on a big parenting group on FB which is great in lots of ways, but I know that even the most benign questioning of trans ideology would have me drummed out instantly

That's interesting and I wonder does it reflect an age-based difference (guessing). I pre-date FB parenting groups so would have "grown-up" (as a parent) on Irish parenting website, equivalents of MN (at a stretch). At this stage the group is small and largely populated by mums in their 40s and 50s with older children. The trans issue came up briefly a few times on foot of comments about "pregnant people" late in the Repeal campaign. Aside from someone who identified herself as a family member of a trans person and active campaigner there were almost exclusively (iirc) what seemed to be instinctive GC posts. The biggest shocker in the discussion was the revelation that we had self-ID legislation. And this was amongst women who'd consider themselves to be well-informed and actively interested in being up to date socially and politically. There was a chorus (including from me) of WTF when/how/why did that happen?

@GrainneWail I've concerns there also as I have a daughter in the organisation. The leaders I know would no more put a boy sleeping with girls - if they had the choice. But I do wonder what would happen if they were put to it by a boy rocking up in his guide uniform. I think they'd have huge problems with parents and also with their own sense of the importance of safe-guarding and understanding of what that means.

That's really interesting (and reassuring!), 3times. The group I'm talking about was founded by someone who would be a pretty active social justice warrior (I'm not being completely sarky, she's done a lot of good in other areas) and is completely on board the trans train, and there are several others of the same ilk. So anyone bringing up the topic is met with an immediate pro-trans response from prominent people and it's very clear that no opposing viewpoints will be tolerated. There are usually a lot of "I didn't know anything about this, thank you for educating me!"-type responses

I'm not on that one, TerribleCustomer!

@3timeslucky is that HM or RC? I was on discussions on both platforms about this. RC was fairly evenly split but HM seemed more gc from what I saw.

I went head to head with one particular poster on RC. She was obsessed and really had her knife out for me! You and I were probably backing each other up on some of those threads.

Yep!😁

@ludog yes it was HM.

Yes, I remember that thread and the largely sensible responses to 'pregnant people'.