Peak Transing

[Apollo440]

This thread on AIBU has been joined by some aggressive TRAs who are doing sterling work peak transing the more delicate areas of mumsnet.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3634784-to-not-want-to-sign-off-my-emails-with-preferred-pronouns

Real TWAW No debate or your c*nts type. Carry on I say!

Oh, morning, Petrol!

In case you missed it, I found the (usually silenced) voice of one of those women prisoners you don't give a shit about.

if the terms ‘peak lesbian’ was being used by TRA’s, I would have a huge issue with it.

Ask, and you shall receive

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Transgender_glossary

Peak trans
A moment in a trans person's life where they felt most gender confirmed. Originally, it was a term used by TERFs but the term was reinvented to spite them.[6] To TERFs it means the time when trans people went far and resulted in intolerance to trans people.

Now, as I've posted what I believe peak-trans to mean waaaaay back up there ^ you'll already know I don't agree with wiki totally.

Info provided to me via PM honest

THERE WE GO www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

why should GC feminists use such blanket terms like that without actually thinking about what they are saying

I have thought about what I'm saying.

Here's a bargain for you: when the transactivists stop using terms that appropriate my sex for people not of my sex, I'll say peak transactivism instead of peak trans.

So. Ball's in their court.

Ereshkigal Sat 13-Jul-19 23:23:46
It's an odd situation when someone claiming earnestly to be concerned about tone decides to act in such a goady way by appropriating the name that other posters use to highlight blatant trolling to each other in an effort to make conversations more productive.

What a shame none of you thought to claim it then.
But of course, on FWR you can always spot a palpable hit when the High Priestesses have to resort to "goady" rather than having any useful debate to counter an argument with.

Opps my bad Early I quoted the wrong bit of your post, I'm trying to prep dinner and I got a bit excited from my eleventy million and one PMs.

Hope you get the gist tho.

High Priestesses

Eh?

Peak trans has been explained several times on this thread. It is not comparable to peak Muslim or peak lesbian. We are not talking about individuals but the ideology. But you know that and are just being obtuse.

Lang that quote is awful. Fingers crossed I'll never end up in prison, but I can't imagine a much worse scenario than being unable to escape a male perpetrator.

I had a stalker from the ages 12 to 14 and he'd wait outside my house, friends house, shops, fair, etc. he was in my school, he'd follow me, beat me up because I wouldn't tell him I loved him. At least I could lock my front door at the end of the day. Unlike being in prison.

I don’t think you understand - You are not talking about the individuals because you say that you’re not.

But, by definition, you are talking about individuals by saying peak trans and not peak activism

Just like if I said peak muslims instead of peak islam

When the noun refers to individuals within a class, you cannot just say ‘no we don’t mean that so it’s fine’

For people that on every single thread have to mention that language is so important I’m surprised you don’t understand why the words you’re using and what you claim to mean, contradict each other.

Going to the terminology of #peaktrans, my explanation is:

There is a certain phenomenon happening. That phenomenon goes like this:

1. im a kind liberal left wing person. I believe in equal rights for everyone. Of course i believe in trans rights! What a no brainer.

1. Hmm. I wonder what all these nasty women are doing protesting against trans rights! What bigots!

1. Maybe ill read up a little on this. Its peaked my curiosity.

1. Omg trans activitists are actually fighting for what?! But thats so dangerous and unfair on women! How come its being presented in a totally different way?! ..

1. look into it some more. Go on twitter and view the misogyny and abuse.

1. #peaktrans

Now, words only mean what meaning we have given them. I understand peak trans to simply mean the process set out above. I don't understand it to mean hatred towards trans people, or that trans people shouldnt have rights (of course they should!). Its simply giving a name to becoming aware of the skewed narrative and quite frankly bullying nature of the TRA campaign. In my opinion. In a world where everything needs a catchy hash tag.

So i dont think u can compare it to, for example, peak muslim. Which doesnt exist as a phrase that means anything! That phrase if it existed could have a totally different meaning.

Its like saying why do we say anti semitism instead of jewaphobia?? Its just the semantics of language.

Oh morning!

You still didn't listen to the umpteen clarifications of my point then? Or you just prefer to read what you want to hear rather than what is actually said?

I had a stalker from the ages 12 to 14 and he'd wait outside my house, friends house, shops, fair, etc. he was in my school, he'd follow me, beat me up because I wouldn't tell him I loved him. At least I could lock my front door at the end of the day. Unlike being in prison.

Shocking to discover that people are so lacking in care for incarcerated women that they could openly declare that they don't give a shit, isn't it?

Here's a bargain for you: when the transactivists stop using terms that appropriate my sex for people not of my sex, I'll say peak transactivism instead of peak trans.

When the ideology, and transactivists (all of whom say they are transwomen/women), stop peaking me, I'll stop using the term peak trans.

It's the height of enough to say that the offensive part of this is women's reaction to the mind boggling stuff promoted by people like JY, Muscato, Bergdorf and Fae - and people on this very thread not 'giving a shit' about women in prison.

Oh, here is all this unbelievably breathtaking shit that women have to put up with, but the worst part is what we call it?

Nah.

Yes, imagine someone saying that! I can't think of anyone who did though....

Exactly, goopamz. Nailed it.

You still didn't listen to the umpteen clarifications of my point then?

I have yet to hear any care expressed for vulnerable women in prison. Care to provide any?

What about solitary confinement and human rights jurisprudence? Can you clarify that you think XY rapists should go into solitary confinement in the XX estate?

I think I also disagree on what the word “clarification” might mean now, too

Oh no, you said I'd don't give a shit about women who are incarcerated. Obviously, you must have been mistaken. No harm done.

But TRAs are trans mostly right?
So peak trans is kinda right.
Like, now I'm peaked over the sheer brass neck of some trans people? (Usually in relation to women's rights being stripped etc.)

I think I also disagree on what the word “clarification” might mean now, too

My PMs concur.

Just like if I said peak muslims instead of peak islam

I suspect that if a well funded and influential lobby group campaigned to make all women cover their hair and faces when they left the house and eating a bacon sandwich in front of a Muslim became classified as a hate crime then peak Islam would become a thing PDQ.

Also it's a bit difficult to claim you're offended on behalf of transwomen, when you ignore the only transwoman on the board !

Islam would still refer to an entire religion, so no it wouldn't be right to use that to refer to one offset.