Peak Transing

[Apollo440]

This thread on AIBU has been joined by some aggressive TRAs who are doing sterling work peak transing the more delicate areas of mumsnet.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3634784-to-not-want-to-sign-off-my-emails-with-preferred-pronouns

Real TWAW No debate or your c*nts type. Carry on I say!

I'll try again:

RosesAndRaindrops so where should transwomen be, and why? If not in the men's?

I think the better question is would you be ok with yours or someone elses young daughter being exposed to said hairy old wang. I sure as hell wouldnt. My 2 year old daughter seeing a fully naked adult man - some creep in a dress in a supposedly female changing room??! No thank you!

It's an odd situation when someone claiming earnestly to be concerned about tone decides to act in such a goady way by appropriating the name that other posters use to highlight blatant trolling to each other in an effort to make conversations more productive.

Ah.

Well, it'd be extraordinarily cynical if Roses is a retread of the fruity poster.

Who didn't pretended be utterly uninformed on the subject.

I'm sure that's not the case (actually not sure at all, but benefit of the doubt & all that...).

Oooo look at these grey rocks.

Better than letting someone get off on the attention.

So how would you know said "hairy old wang" belonged to someone that wasn't just in the changing room to perv on women? Just because the man is "vaguely" presenting in a female manner, how do you know he is not there for nefarious purposes?

I go swimming quite a bit. A lot of the time it's a mixed sex changing villa thing.
There could quite easily be a man with a "hairy wang"in the next cubicle to me.
It's never occurred to me to be afraid that there might be a wang next door.

They're some impressive grey rocks you've got there.

Soon be Christmas...

It's never occurred to me to be afraid that there might be a wang next door.

Oh good for you, give yourself a gold star. Not the same for many women with ptsd due to childhood sexual abuse or other male sexual violence.

Yeah I think that last answer calls for my heavily customised grey rock. I know you'll all be jealous....

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/67abd2/that_time_a_feminist_pretended_to_be_okay_with/

Well, it'd be extraordinarily cynical if Roses is a retread of the fruity poster.

The fruity poster has no history since Roses appeared!

The fruity poster has no history since Roses appeared

Weird innit?

Oookay so we're grey rocking now instead of actually engaging to other viewpoints made?
OK then.
Why do I have to automatically fear a hairy wang in the cubicle next to me?

I'm not especially troubled by wang bearers in changing villages myself. I used to do a regular cold water swim where I was the only woman - & we all changed together afterwards in an outhouse at the back of the local pub. I used to take myself off to the Ladies loos instead when any of the blokes brought a teenage son along, to spare their blushes rather than mine.

That doesn't mean I don't think women should have a right to wang free changing - we should. I don't get to consent to wangs in female changing rooms for other women just because I'm not personally bothered, & nor do you.

& for that matter, if any of the blokes I used to wild swim with had ever said 'Oi purple bugger off - we don't want to change with you!', they'd have been perfectly within their rights.

With hindsight (it was 20 years ago) I should've respected their privacy & made other arrangements anyway...

Why do I have to automatically fear a hairy wang in the cubicle next to me?

www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/605689.young-girls-catch-pervert-filming-in-changing-room/

And that just from a very quick google.

Not the same for many women with ptsd due to childhood sexual abuse or other male sexual violence
There's no way of saying this without coming across as all NAMALT, but if you're afraid to go out because of abuse from some, how is it the fault of others?
I know how that sounds, I hear myself saying it but it's true though.

Q to Roses upthread:" Would you be happy sharing a gym/swimming pool changing room with a transwoman - complete with big hairy old wang flopping about - as you're undressing?

Roses answers:

Hairy old wang
Yes I would.

1. Roses, as a woman, do you have no empathy or understanding for women and girls who may not wish to share your enthusiasm for hanging out with the 'hairy old wang' in their space? There are a lot of things I tolerate, but that I understand others don't, so I don't speak for them.

2. Roses, do you therefore disagree with any space being sex-segregated, given you personally have no problems with 'hairy wangs' (ie. men with dicks in women's spaces) Do you disagree with sex-segregated spaces per se? Do you think there are times when sex-segregated spaces are valid and, if so, which are they?

3. I pondered this today, going shopping with my daughter. Standing outside crappy curtain changing rooms, with gaps, women coming in and out of the area. I wondered how I, or my daughter, woud feel, if we knew anyone 'identifying' as a woman or was wandering in and out.

It struck me that the class that we used to know (some of us uphold) of women now seem to have a tenuous grasp on privacy and dignity, despite years of women fighting for it.

And now, with cameras, phones, and 'self-ID', we stand to lose that grasp fast.

Why would any woman fight directly to support the loss of that grasp on spaces for women and girls? I don't get it. I'd love for you to help me understand, Roses.

How does 'refusing to accept men in female spaces' = 'afraid to go out'?!

What if its an open space changing area, youre the only person in there then several male bodied people come in (in female clothing). Maybe theyre "genuine trans" maybe theyre not, who knows they are what they say they are. Would you be comfortable being a naked alone "uterus haver" in an enclosed space with a group of naked "penis havers??" I personally would be absolutely terrified, im sure that would be a common female reaction...regardless of their intentions my biology makes me vulnerable and so my instinct would be to be afraid.

I certainly wouldn't think "dont worry theyre women too!!" No matter how many times ppl say it

pombear I hope you're not expecting any answers to those questions! We are still waiting for answers from questions asked 12 hours ago!

The one and only time I used a mixed sex ‘changing village’ a man stuck his head under my cubicle.

Now I only use pools and gyms with separate, women only changing areas.

The issue is not that some women may be comfortable with naked male bodies around them in changing rooms, great, knock yerselves out in the unisex facilities,. The issue goes beyond that kind of “I’m all right Jill” thinking, many women are not comfortable with naked male bodies around them or their children hence their desire to retain sex-segregated facilities - why does one person’s comfort or need for validation in a given situation trump another’s discomfort?

1) Roses, as a woman, do you have no empathy or understanding for women and girls who may not wish to share your enthusiasm for hanging out with the 'hairy old wang' in their space?

It's not in your space though if it's an enclosed cubicle away from you.

I pondered this today, going shopping with my daughter. Standing outside crappy curtain changing rooms, with gaps, women coming in and out of the area. I wondered how I, or my daughter, woud feel, if we knew anyone 'identifying' as a woman or was wandering in and out
Someone identifying as female isn't automatically a threat though just because they identify as female.
It's usually cubicled off, it is all the places I go anyway.
Whether it be swimming pools or changing rooms in shops.