Peak Transing

[Apollo440]

This thread on AIBU has been joined by some aggressive TRAs who are doing sterling work peak transing the more delicate areas of mumsnet.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3634784-to-not-want-to-sign-off-my-emails-with-preferred-pronouns

Real TWAW No debate or your c*nts type. Carry on I say!

DpWm snap!

People would’ve said being gay was ‘illogical’ many years ago.You do not have gender dysphoria, so you’re right, you don’t know why people feel they are ‘born in the wrong body’. Why can’t you accept that some people, feel differently to you?

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As per the above example you gave, if it was about trans activism and not trans people wouldn’t it be ‘peak TRA’ ?

Someone believing they are born in the wrong body does not cause harm to others. You may believe that them using woman’s spaces/being included in woman’s shortlists etc causes harm to others, that’s fine and you should address what you believe would cause injustice to woman.

It’s not your place, nor is it acceptable to question if someone really does have GD or how they could possibly believe this or that.

So Roses you too have no opinion or comment on my earlier Qs. re the tribunal?

You've been pretty supportive of the TWAW during this thread, even though it's only about the term peak-trans apparently

So far, nobody has really said why ‘Peak Trans’ is acceptable or what it means, they’ve just avoided the question or swerved round it.

I was initially confused by this term. Someone on here described it as the point where you realise the transgender issue isn't what you thought it was. That is, when you realise it's not really about making life easier for that nice transwoman you know, it's actually about things like giving JY the right to force women to wax his balls.

Feeling differently from me does not make someone the same sex as me.

So Roses you too have no opinion or comment on my earlier Qs. re the tribunal?

Yes - what EarlyWalker just said, as in
As per the above example you gave, if it was about trans activism and not trans people wouldn’t it be ‘peak TRA’ ?

Early to whom is this comment addressed?

It’s not your place, nor is it acceptable to question if someone really does have GD or how they could possibly believe this or that.

Not that I suppose it really matters, as I don't think anyone has actually said any of this.

I'd say that most users on FWR believe GD to be a valid condition, and believe that trans people (with or without GD) all deserve freedom of expression, belief, safety, and equal human rights.

As do we all.

Someone believing they are born in the wrong body does not cause harm to others.

That's debatable. If they understand why, then maybe not. But if their discomfort is based on a belief in gender stereotyping then it can be problematic. A person having an ingrained belief in something that is detrimental to women can definitely cause harm.

girldown, this sort of comment:

I always wonder how people who consider themselves trans can actually any sense of being either female or male (depending on which they actually are). As a woman, I have never been a man so I don't know what being a man feels like. How can anyone know that their gender feels are those of the opposite sex? It's completely illogical

It’s not your place, nor is it acceptable to question if someone really does have GD or how they could possibly believe this or that.

You can't be serious? Women aren't allowed to question a gender based belief?

Don't be silly

Someone believing they are born in the wrong body does not cause harm to others

Going into schools telling children they could be born in the wrong body if they think they have a pink brain rather than a blue brain, and offering puberty blockers, causes untold harm to an entire generation.

If you have an issue with trans people in woman’s spaces then that’s fine, you should fight for what you believe in. But how can it ever be acceptable to fight against what someone else believes they are or their identity in general?

I don't think anyone's fighting against other people having any identity they want. But why should we be compelled to believe in it? In your view, should this compulsion to believe in other people's identities extend to other identities like "adult babies"? And what about people like Rachel Dolezal, if she truly believes she is black? Or does it only apply to people who think they're the opposite sex?

It's also in direct conflict to the information coming out of the Tavistock. Affirmation at all costs ignores any underlying issues.

It’s not your place, nor is it acceptable to question if someone really does have GD or how they could possibly believe this or that

Women know your place.
Well that's us told.

Even in a man does have gender dysphoria. Awful. Terrible. It means they are a man with gender dysphoria. Not a woman. Find a way to sort it out without pissing off women by moving in on our spaces then you can stop complaining.

It’s not always about ‘woman can’t’ get over yourself.

Yes DpWm, you may think that’s harmful to others, valid opinion, what you just described is not someone believing they themselves were born in the wrong body, you are talking about other people spreading messages that are questionable.

Just like the current ‘teaching gay marriage in school’ of course being gay doesn’t harm anyone, but some people believe that teaching about gay relationships in school is harmful because it goes against religious beliefs and may encourage kids to think they’re gay.

Except teaching transgender ideology in school does encourage kids to think they're trans.

76 kids in one school, 10 girls simultaneously in one year. Thousands of children turning up at gender clinics.

Of course people are going to question why someone has gender dysphoria. I can't believe you think otherwise.

I think spending too much time getting angry at another group of human beings can turn you into a paranoid and irrational person. The anti-trans MN groups on here make me feel deeply worried about the participants.

It’s not your place, nor is it acceptable to question if someone really does have GD or how they could possibly believe this or that

GD exists, but a man who feels uncomfortable with his male body, or the demands of society he faces as a male, doesn't feel like a woman. He can have no idea what it feels like to be a woman, because he's never been one. He can only feel like a man who is uncomfortable with some aspects of his body and/or the way he interacts with other people and /or the expectations of the society he lives in.

And yes, agree peak trans is a questionable term.

It’s not about questioning reasons behind GD, it’s about saying things like the above quote ‘how could you possibly feel you’re in the wrong body’ it’s questioning the entire underlying belief that makes a trans persons identity.

Some of it may be people following a trend, of course. For some people it’s their entire identity.

Great post by @grabtharshammer which shows exactly how terrifying this oppression of women really is. If you object to any of the transagenda you are, according to a video produced by MSP politician Mhairi Black, " being a Jeremy Hunt." Seriously.

He can have no idea what it feels like to be a woman

Hence the confusion and conflict if they actually describe how they think it feels.

Not to mention the endless videos of hair tossing, crying at romcoms 'once a month', and what was it? 'feeling like a hot mess in a café with a book'.

What don’t people get about gender being a social construct? How hard is it to understand?

Sex = biological reality
Gender = social construct

You can’t feel like a woman. It’s impossible. You can feel ‘feminine’, but that’s based on a bullshit social definition of feminist, nothing to do with being female. We shouldn’t be teaching it to children. It’s morally wrong.

femininenot feminist in my above post