Konditor - joy through cake advert

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"So who thinks this was made by accident and totally innocently? #pornculture t.co/JGfzd3uh0P"

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And their response:

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We created this campaign from a place of joy, especially the joy of cake. This image was curated by a diverse group of Konditor team members from different races, sexualities & inclusive of all genders. (1/2)

This image was never intended to be offensive or derogatory, it's just a person enjoying a slice of cake. The campaign includes images of everyone enjoying cake. (2/2) t.co/baAjRd0HLD

What a bunch of arses

Will avoid

Have any of them ever spoken out against women's sexual slavery? Or did they just want a sexee name for their band to add a bit of titillation for those in the know?

They didn't want to reference the conflict, they wanted to reference sexual slavery, they were quite specific when they changed the name from Warsaw in 1978

With the proviso the following is from Wiki and may be inaccurate I can't find anything to support that.

BuzzcocksmanagerRichard Boonand frontmanPete Shelleyhave both been credited with suggesting the band name "Stiff Kittens", but the band settled on "Warsaw" shortly before their first gig, a reference toDavid Bowie's song "Warszawa"

To avoid confusion with the London punk bandWarsaw Pakt, the band renamed themselves Joy Division in early 1978, borrowing the name from thesexual slaverywing of a Nazi concentration camp mentioned in the 1955 novelHouse of Dolls

The packaging ofAn Ideal for Living—which featured a drawing of aHitler Youthmember on the cover—coupled with the nature of the band's name fuelled speculation about their political affiliations.While Hook and Sumner later said they were intrigued byfascismat the time, Morris believed that the group's dalliance with Nazi imagery came from a desire to keep memories of the sacrifices of their parents and grandparents duringWorld War IIalive. He argued that accusations ofneo-Nazisympathies merely provoked the band "to keep on doing it, because that's the kind of people we are"

When you scratch the surface it's alarming what you find. Cake bakers selling their cakes with degrading porn images of women and a band 'celebrating' the sexual slavery of Jewish women prisoners.

Depressing.

@LassOfFyvie I was referencing their own description. twitter.com/konditorcakes/status/1116701017452752896

It's difficult to know what you were doing as you seem to have deleted your tweets. I get a "sorry that page doesn't exist"

The word is not "British humour" any more than that photograph is.

Btw, the non- existent page I'm referring to was your posts criticising Patrick Strudwick and defending K & C.

So far your referencing K & C what you said was

Despite being founded by gay men and the title being old-fashioned British humour you gave in. If you don’t listen to women now...

I think that goes beyond merely referencing how they described the cake and adopts what they said.

I see on this thread that someone called Joani Walsh is defending K & C. I'm sure I've seen her mentioned approvingly on here- but she's way off here.

Yes and you’ll continue to see her mentioned approvingly here too. Like Posie and others, they’re not official spokespeople and we don’t all agree all of the time.

I think you can make your point without referring to someone’s tweet as stupid repeatedly. The tweet is gone but since you copied it word for word Lass I’m not sure why it’s ‘difficult to know what you were doing’ when you can see the tweets upthread and their tweets using that phrase, old fashioned British humour, is what the company founders used and in the same tweet they said the company was founded by gay men. Those two things were in her tweets referencing the decision to listen to feedback and take it down. You might want to think she is adopting what they said, she’s explained it wasn’t what she meant and removed them.

I think I said stupid twice. It was a stupid thing to say.

Not sure what your mini lecture referring to Posie is. I could remember her being mentioned on here with approval- couldn't remember why. I'm guessing she's "gender critical" as that seems to excuse so much.

It doesn’t excuse anything. That’s the point. We aren’t a tribe, we agree and disagree as we see fit. I’m very aware what your intention was behind saying what you did.

I told someone what they said was ridiculous once and the comment was deleted. Nice to know I can call out your many stupid comments now Lass.

@LassOfFyvie I haven't deleted my tweets, I have deactivated - not that you need to see them on Twitter anyway as they are clearly posted here, including, strangely, by yourself, so I don't know what it is you're finding difficult. The link I gave you was for the thread in which Konditor justified their product names to two gay journalists by explaining the founder's fondness for bawdy humour specifically citing Carry On. I know what I was referencing, thanks, and it was the fact that even though the name was chosen deliberately, by a gay man, in full knowledge of its meaning and has been used for a considerable period without complaint, he capitulated to just two other (influential) gay men. I have no opinion on the use of fudgepacker and it isn't really within my domain to decide on behalf of gay men whether or not it is offensive, bawdy or an attempt to reclaim a slur as was successfully achieved with 'queer'. But one of the gay men concerned feels it is within his domain to police speech, opinions and activity on quite a wide ranging scale - including women's and is actively using that same influential position to influence the debate around trans demands. And my point was that this company reacted immediately to his instruction yet seem to have done buggerall in response to far greater outrage from women. I'm not sure what's stupid about that but you seem to have decided for me my intent which seems rather presumptuous.

I'm not sure what's stupid about that but you seem to have decided for me my intent which seems rather presumptuous.

This is the second thread I’ve been on here in the last few days where women’s words are picked over and intentions assumed, even after they or other women explain the actual intent and meaning- often obvious to others but not the nitpickers.

I thought what you were saying was blindingly obvious Joani.

Not to worry: parsing endlessly has become quite the fashion hereabouts. It used to be regarded as goady.

For the record I do enjoy music but it's become so tied up with sexual abuse I'm wondering now what is the point?

And I'm not even referencing 20th and 21st century music, it has always been the case.

I would add I prefer art instead, but that is highly tainted in sexual abuse, with many abusers lauded as famous artists, the vast majority of them being men, in both sectors.

Where to run to?

Now baking is being taken over by abusers.

Thank goodness for needlework!

Although let's have some Lesley Gore.

You don't own me!

I’m very aware what your intention was behind saying what you did

My intention was to express my opinion .

The expression which Joani had no opinion on (although apparently still felt the need to defend it's use over a lengthy twitter post) is not bawdy , Carry On humour. It is a slur on gay men and an obscenity.

For a baker to have goods on open display using that name feeds into the normalisation of pornography- the normalisation of pandering to the lowest common, sleazy denominator.

It used to be regarded as goady

aka an opinion you don't like. Remind me again how much you (general you) hate women being silenced?

"Its use"

aka an opinion you don't like.

No, it’s the goady passive aggressive BS we don’t like.

Joani already explained she didn’t support it. But you carry on insisting otherwise.

Woke cookies backfiring and forever associating brands with things they do not want to be associated with.
Kondoitor = gism
Wagamamas = toilets
There must be loads, but I've run out.....