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Mhairi Black

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Iggypoppie · 03/07/2019 19:56

This short film with Mhairi reading out (mostly respectful) comments from women is really sad. I have always admired her but like many politicians she is unable to comprehend the issues women are raising. She says there is no evidence or legitimacy in our concerns. Oh well.

twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1146476340864081920?s=20

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GirlDownUnder · 02/09/2019 14:18

Hey @JoMumsnet I asked via report if we’d get deleted for correctly sexing Joss as Joss has confirmed they’re ok for us to use male pronouns (and deadname) here;

I asked
transtrendy so you’re female gender, and a man and he / him pronouns are a ok? So you’ll not get cross when we correctly sex you if we talk about you?

JossPrior replied
you can do whatever you want Sir, the day I care about GC's deadnaming or misgendering is the day that.... well..... it simply isnt going to happen is it.... you keep on...whatevs, too funny!

LangCleg · 02/09/2019 14:29

OMG Girl! Joss misgendered you!

Do you need to borrow my fainting couch? I have sal volatile at the ready.

GirlDownUnder · 02/09/2019 14:39

Do you need to borrow my fainting couch?

I did feel a bit faint, I’ll be honest. Couldn’t catch my breath from laughing so hard.

The tone is just so childish my head just went ooh handbags 😂😂🤦‍♀️

And all the bloody work to cross reference us.... omg! s/he must be sooooo bored. Or desperate.

Mhairi Black
2BthatUnnoticed · 02/09/2019 14:45

Agree with letting the posts stand, this site seems to be a magnet for autogynephiles (funny, but also a pain in the arse for the mods I’m sure).

It wouldn’t bother me if they weren’t banned (they just change IP addresses and re-reg anyway) - sunlight and all that.

littlbrowndog · 02/09/2019 14:46

Haha 🤣

Datun · 02/09/2019 15:03

Yes, let them stand. If only to inform future posters to polish up their communication skills. And their formatting.

There's no point trying to quote other posters, when it looks like you're saying it yourself. You just end up looking utterly confused by the constant contradicting.

ScreamingBeans · 02/09/2019 15:07

The only possible excuse for MB is that she is young and got her hands on power extremely young and has therefore been corrupted by that power.

Her insufferable arrogance and lack of honesty and integrity, are the result of having made a remarkable achievement - getting elected to parliament when her brain has not yet reached the stage of mature adult development and so being unable to properly assess how qualified she is, to ridicule women who know better than her, who worked their arses off while being subjected to exactly the same sort of ridicule she employs in this video, to enable her to be where she is now. Without the women she mocks, she'd probably be unhappily in the closet. They made it possible for her to be where she is, she owes fucking everything to them and she's so ignorant that she doesn't even know that.

The stroppy little madam.

BeMoreMagdalen · 02/09/2019 15:14

I wonder if inability to correctly format aimless posts is related to how many hands are free for typing? After all that breathlessly announced pre planned infiltration, the PBP just couldn't hold in an ejaculatory outing post.

It is all a bit limp really.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 02/09/2019 15:37

lifted off Kiwi Farms - excuse me, what? No idea what you're on about.

Mhairi's records as a hard working MP don't look that brilliant:

Has spoken in 21 debates in the last year — below average amongst MPs.
Has received answers to 11 written questions in the last year — below average amongst MPs.
Replied within 2 or 3 weeks to a low number of messages sent via WriteToThem.com during 2015, according to constituents.
Has voted in 58.22% of votes in this Parliament with this affiliation — well below average amongst MPs. (From Public Whip)

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25269/mhairi_black/paisley_and_renfrewshire_south#profile

ScreamingBeans · 02/09/2019 16:02

So she's below average but she's surrounded by people telling her she's an above average person.

Not a good mix.

TruthOnTrial · 02/09/2019 16:05

Bottom line is joss is advocating breaking EA law.
Confused

You know, law. To protect women and girls, yet talks as if this is not only ok but boasts about bumping into women. Theres definitely a theme about breaking the law, getting away with it and boasting about it.

We can see clearly.

You state we know we're men yet can't stay out of spaces protected solely for women and children.

That says 'entitlement' to me, and lack of awareness of boundaries. Classic, as I literally just heard someone say Grin

MargueritaBlue · 02/09/2019 17:07

wasn’t there a study that showed people (of either sex) are much more likely to apologise when they bump into men than when they bump into women? With white males most likely to receive one

I'm as unconvinced by that statement as I am by the opposing statement that a poster gets apologised to because they are clocked as a woman.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 02/09/2019 17:55

I thought everyone apologised to everyone else, whether bumper or bumpee.

I don't remember anyone saying sorry missus/hen/doll as opposed to plain old sorry though, and I don't say more than sorry myself.

pachyderm · 02/09/2019 18:14

Bernadette Devlin was elected at 21 too. She might have let her youth get the better of her at times but she was in another league to Mhairi Black in terms of intelligence, integrity, courage and life experience. Youth is no excuse for MB's boorish ignorance.

MockersthefeMANist · 02/09/2019 18:18

Aaaaah, Bernadette Devlin, who crossed the floor to smack Home Secretary Reggie Maudling across the jowly chops. The joke in the palace bars was she hit him so hard, she almost woke him up.

Also the star of a great Private Eye cover, as she was chaired on burly mens' shoulders in her miniskirt compromising her dignty, as one of them speech bubbles: "I bet this will give Paisley a hard-on."

3mks · 02/09/2019 18:19

I think tho (and I could be wrong) that due to female socialisation females are more likely than males to apologize when they are not at fault. So most females would apologize to each other rather than one sided like in the example given.

zebrasdontwearbras · 02/09/2019 18:26

I'm not sure whether it's being female socialised, or just being very British, but I apologise all the time - whether it's me in the wrong or not.

I do find it leads to living a nicer and more peaceful life though - less confrontational and aggressive. Honestly - some of those AIBUs about people getting fighty in supermarkets... can't be doing with it myself.

But no doubt - this is what the MRAs and the TRAs are trading on Sad my ver non-confrontational attitude.

pachyderm · 02/09/2019 18:36

@MockersthefeMANist yeah. She had just been in the middle of the horrific Bloody Sunday massacre by the Paras and was witnessing the beginning of what would be the decades-long cover-up. Obviously hitting someone is wrong but it wasn't exactly an average day in parliament. I don't think Mhairi Black could claim she was severely provoked when she decided to call women cunts.

And yes, Bernadette Devlin dealt with rank overt sexism that later generations of women cannot imagine.

AnyOldPrion · 02/09/2019 18:43

”The tone is just so childish my head just went ooh handbags”

Gold lamé I hope, Girl.

Though the ladies in your photo are brandishing a very fetching pair...

SunsetBeetch · 02/09/2019 18:53

Awww bespin missed all the excitement

zebrasdontwearbras · 02/09/2019 20:41

Bespin was too busy laughing about women's sport being erased today - because it's just too funny right?

twitter.com/ana_iamhuman/status/1168096607801397248 Because this is absolutely definitely a woman, bigots Hmm

PencilsInSpace · 02/09/2019 23:14

I don't think this has been posted yet - it's the full length interview from which the clip in the OP is taken ...

... in which Mhairi Black explains to a Nodding Man With A Beard why there's nothing wrong with the term T*F, why there's no logical reason for women to object to 'cs', why women are making a silly fuss about toilets and other single sex spaces (Spoiler: it's because we share toilets at home and because Men Will Rape You Anyway and because we haven't complained until recently). My blood pressure would only cope with me watching the first half of this interview, I might tackle the second half tomorrow.

It's an absolute TRA bingo card of wrongness and I suspect it will age very badly. It's a shame because in many ways Mhairi Black is a remarkable woman. Oh well.

2BthatUnnoticed · 02/09/2019 23:15

Actually I think 3mks is right, well according to this study anyway .. although to be honest its slightly beyond me!

Mhairi Black
PencilsInSpace · 02/09/2019 23:42

I got as far as this, about half way through:

My whole thing has been - if someone has said something I can't answer I need to go away and think about it. But if I've thought everything through and I've genuinely provided an answer for everything and I still can't figure it out, and I don't think even you can figure out what your issue is, what do you want me to do with that?

I think this automatic assumption that because I am a woman therefore my opinion is more accurate than anybody elses on this: well no, not if you're an uninformed woman. I mean if you're a woman who has never met a trans person in your life, or who's never taken the time to actually understand things then you know, you're failing at it. It's the same way where, you know, people think that racism has to come from a place of hatred or homophobia has to come from a place of hatred - and that's where we see a lot of people getting upset that they're called transphobe because 'I'm not being hateful, how am I transphobic?' Well, in actual fact, you can be racist without being hateful and that's a part of the whole practice of listening.

I'm not an expert on this but see if loads of BAME people were telling me, 'By the way Mhairi, I think you're a bit out of line with that' or 'do you realise that when you say these things it actually perpetuates myths and things?' If I choose not to listen to that then I'm the one choosing to stay ignorant. And I think exactly the same thing is happening with the trans community just now, with people saying that that's transphobic. I'm not calling you a transphobe I'm just saying have some self awareness. And if people are sitting there genuinely going, 'I can't see for the life of me where I've been a transphobe,' then you need to do work, because that person isn't making it up.

Hey Mhairi Black - YOU are an uninformed woman. You haven't answered anything, you've just ridiculed women for raising issues affecting our safety and our rights. You 'still can't figure it out' and by now that looks wilful. You have deliberately avoided taking the time to understand things. You, Mhairi Black, are failing at it. You can be misogynist without being hateful and that's a part of the whole practice of listening.

if loads of women (cunty sort) are telling you, 'By the way Mhairi, I think you're a bit out of line with that' or 'do you realise that when you say these things it actually perpetuates myths and things?' If you choose not to listen to that then you're the one choosing to stay ignorant. And I think this is exactly what's happening for women and girls just now, with people saying that that's misogynistic. I'm not calling you a misogynist I'm just saying have some self awareness. And if you, Mhairi Black, are sitting there genuinely going, 'I can't see for the life of me where I've been a misogynist' then you need to do work, because we're not making it up.

By the way Mhairi, I think you're a bit out of line with that.

Love from a woman who's been mixing with trans people since before you were a foetus and has been growing increasingly alarmed since you were about 16.

Hate to do the age rank thing and I'm only doing it now because I still have hope you'll grow the fuck up and be fantastic.

Tyrotoxicity · 03/09/2019 09:37

Spoiler: it's because we share toilets at home

I'd love to sit MB down and introduce her to my ex. With whom I did indeed share a toilet. Until he developed a pissing fetish as a result.

I do wish women would stop assuming that, because we are equal, we all think in exactly the same way. MB would never dream of sexually assaulting anyone in the ladies' so she can't get her head round the idea that any man would. Baffling.

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