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Police called to home of Boris and Carrie Symonds

214 replies

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 21/06/2019 21:26

Guardian link here

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

This isn't some long ago "oh it was in the past" incident (not that that would make it any better).

This was the police being called to what sounds very like a domestic incident last friday. Right in the middle of the campaign of Boris " the favourite" Johnson to become Prime Minister.

What the actual fuck?

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Bourdic · 23/06/2019 00:16

Helena can you elucidate please?

HelenaDove · 23/06/2019 00:22

Sorry i should have made myself clear Certain publications have proved yet AGAIN that they cant self regulate on their own.

They have proved this by going after the neighbours who have done nothing wrong.

Caucho · 23/06/2019 00:37

That’s the article I referred to. It’s a piss take to expect that after being told by the police they were satisfied that sending recordings to a newspaper was solely because they had a moral duty to do so and they’re not political whatsoever. I don’t mind why they did but am not buying the lies

Caucho · 23/06/2019 00:43

They invited the papers going after them by going to the papers. The police attended rightly. Neighbours who recorded and sent them to national newspapers are being cry babies now that they’re in the crosshairs. Welcome to the UK press Bozos. Now you know it’s not a good idea to willingly get involved with them

Caucho · 23/06/2019 00:56

And I agree the real story should be about Boris’ actual behaviour but unfortunately for the neighbour the public don’t tend to like the sneaky shit they did and people are now defending him! I am not surprised by his angry tantrums. I’ve never drank the cool aid and think he is a seriously despicable character. It’s all too late and don’t think Hunt has a chance when it’s the choice of them two.

Bourdic · 23/06/2019 00:56

ThanksHelena

HelenaDove · 23/06/2019 01:17

Well it looks like im not the only one re Leveson.

nolongersurprised · 23/06/2019 03:46

But having followed this on here and on twitter, and seen the deflections, the false narratives, the victim blaming, the blind eye turning, the tribalism, and all the rest, I'm no longer surprised.

👋🏽

stucknoue · 23/06/2019 07:40

What is a given is they had a row, the neighbour calling the police for a welfare check is ok, the recording of it is NOT ok, he would not have recorded it if he hadn't got a famous prominent neighbour.

If they were rowing every night then a noise diary should be kept and a formal complaint made to the council but it appears to be a one off. Show me a couple who never argues ... seriously people yelling is quite common you know, and police did what they should do and no complaint was made

QuestaVecchiaCasa · 23/06/2019 08:30

Dr C having his arse handed to him for coming out in support of Johnson: twitter.com/DoctorChristian/status/1142204203470905347

GCAcademic · 23/06/2019 08:40

This is infuriating. Dr C is part of the TRA movement that smears predominantly left-wing women as “far right” for not bowing down to gender ideology, and it now turns out that he supports someone who is mates with Steve Bannon. I guess the apparent hypocrisy is easily explained though: the link between both those viewpoints is misogyny.

SquishySquirmy · 23/06/2019 08:52

Making a recording (from inside your own home) of neighbours having the kind or row that's audible from inside your home is not just reasonable, but sensible.

Also, the contortions some people will go to deflect criticism from BJ...

Let's all be honest here. If there was a "rumour" that the police had been called to Johnston and Symond's flat, this would have been dismissed as an "obvious lie to smear him".

If there is a recording, suddenly the fact the neighbor recorded it is taken as obvious evidence that the neighbor is a wrong 'un. So the evidence PROVES it must be made up (how Trumpian!)

I don't see why the neighbor shouldn't share the recording? It is in the public interest and was made within his own flat, using normal recording technology (on his phone). Would be different (and intrusive) if it was made using ultra sensitive, specialist microphones or something, of if he was clinging onto the windowsills to make it.

RedToothBrush · 23/06/2019 09:40

Is it in the public interest for us to know of a potential domestic abuse incident for someone who is standing for election as PM?

More to the point, can anyone give me a good reason why it is not in the public interest for us to be aware of concerns of this nature?

This is the nature of being a politician. You should be held up to scrutiny. This is especially true about Boris Johnson.

The public interest in this story is extremely strong and legally virtually water tight.

We should reflect on the background to this a little.

His affair with Carrie Symonds had previously been under scrutiny because there are questions as to whether he is a security risk. He was disappearing, giving his bodyguards the slip for hours at a time to see her whilst he was foreign security. This is a big deal.

So his judgment and conduct over relationships is already under scrutiny.

Part of this story also appears to be that he has no respect for parking laws. He seems to think he is above them and they do not apply to him because he can just pay them off. This is a concern because he does not think the law applies equality, nor should it. He think that you should be able to buy your way out of breaking laws if you have the means. That's a two tier justice system and has serious ramifications for the rule of law and the future integrity of the justice system. It is a potential red flag about corruption and abuse of power.

If you have established a very strong public interest argument then questions over recordings are weak and not particularly pertainent.

The point with Levenson and phone hacking is that phone messages were accessed illegally AND the public interest argument was weak or non existant. They amounted to intrusion and harassment. However Levenson WAS NOT against investigative journalism though there are concerns that the implementation of Levenson 2 would have the unintended side effect of effectively destroying the ability of the press to conduct investigative journalism.

In the Johnson case, you can argue that he was being intrusive and anti-social to his neighbours by disturbing them and parking illegally too. The neighbours therefore have an argument to record this information - the idea they have to do a day by day diary is frankly laughable. You just have to prove the problem.

Just to remind people of why the 'public interest' argument is fair and why recording people without their consent is not illegal under certain circumstances, the recent Panarama programmes on the abuse of vulnerable adults could not have been made. At the heart of this is a concern that Johnson might be abusing his girlfriend.

Those screaming about Levenson and how unfair it is to Johnson might want to reflect on a) the law b) whether we should be concerned about potential abuse c) this man could be the prime minister d) every paper - including right wing papers has covered this story without hesitation.

Because yes its a big deal and yes its a legitimate use of recording without consent. It's just that politically not everyone likes this because it holds them up to scrutiny.

Do you really want politicians to be immune to scrutiny?

The "leftie smear" accusations over this are highly alarming regardless of your political persuasion because this is a movement to restrict accountability over potential abuses of power. It is not a defendable position. Not if you believe in democracy.

The word 'abuse' needs to be stressed on several levels. Concerns over a potential abuse of any kind should be a matter of public scrutiny.

I find it concerning this is even a debate. It is an erosion of governmental accountability by the press which forms part of the triangle of checks and balances between the executive, the media and the law which are crucial to the functionality of a liberal democracy, which prevents abuses of power within society against the people.

It's not 'just a private domestic argument' not on any level. It goes WAY beyond that.

Bourdic · 23/06/2019 10:28

Wow Red just wow ( except another wow)

Justhadathought · 23/06/2019 10:51

Carrie is in PR, do we really think that she would allow a domestic to be overheard by the neighbours? Sorry but sceptical and cynical if it's possible to be both at the same time

Except life is not one long PR performance, even for someone who does that for a living. It is real.

That a Tory party looks set to elect this buffoon speaks volumes about the degenerate state we've reached in society. We know that lots of powerful men have done bad or ill judged things, behind the scenes in the past, but at least attempted to present a dignified public front.

That the man is amoral; chaotic; self focused and without clearly held or passionate belief about anything does not bode well. We've got ourselves our own Donald Trump.

It is a sign of the times - like the end points in a civilisation when everything goes to shit.

Justhadathought · 23/06/2019 10:54

Also, the contortions some people will go to deflect criticism from BJ...

Absolutely! But why?

He is a joke and will just bring shame and embarrassment to our country. He doesn't even seem to have any particular acumen for anything -other than naked personal ambition. He'll say whatever he thinks he needs to; and then change his story a week later.

merrymouse · 23/06/2019 11:00

You could perhaps argue that Johnson's private life was irrelevant if his pitch to be PM were policy based, but it isn't. His own team have kept him away from the public because he doesn't have a grasp of the detail and is trying to be all things to all people.

His promise to leave on the 31st of October is a gambit to get the support of the ERG. He can't actually explain what he would do in the event of 'No Deal'.

If he has no policies or expertise, all that is left is his character, so his private life is highly relevant.

It's also not as though the Conservatives have ever held back from dragging their opponents' private lives through the mud, or as if they will hesitate to attack Corbyn's private life at the next general election.

Whosorrynow · 23/06/2019 11:34

I agree that we've got ourselves our very own Donald Trump but how is this Borald Trumpson going to go down the UK?
I think things will play out differently here compared to the USA

MockerstheFeManist · 23/06/2019 11:43

Police denied all knowledge even when given the incident number. Only admitted it when the registration numbers of police cars attending were supplied.

Whosorrynow · 23/06/2019 12:01

Boris will soon have the police all dancing to his tune and doing his bidding

HelenaDove · 23/06/2019 16:53

@RedToothBrush fab post but i and others were calling for Leveson 2 because of how the neighbours are being hounded by the right wing press.

After seeing how they have been hounded, how many other neighbours would report now. I wouldnt In fact i havent reported mine.

Ok they arent famous but the druggie and his girlfriend underneath have arguments where they throw things around and it sounds sometimes like they are going to come through the floor. I havent reported because i dont trust the HA or the police to protect and as im on a housing estate we tenants get seen as "all the same"

So slightly different but the bottom line is when you see the police take this line it dosnt instill confidence to report.

I suspect that Boris neighbours will now ignore in future now they have seen the outcome if you do report.

likeamillpond · 23/06/2019 17:03

Whatever she may have done in the past to promote this thug (Boris) - suddenly, she has been exposed to his male violence.

What male violence?
Wasn't she the one who was shrieking and throwing glasses and plates around?
Women can be thugs as well and they are perfectly capable of being violent towards men.

A lot of domestic violence is done by women. It's just more hidden.

AnotherNightWatering · 23/06/2019 18:08

Interesting the only four comments that have so far passed through moderation agree with Elizabeth Day. Lots of down-voting, but I'm convinced much of the Daily Mail comment section is driven by trolls.

KTara · 23/06/2019 18:08

Marie-Claire French (I think that is her name) a psychologist in Erosion of the Soul makes the point that victims of domestic abuse have two choices - to submit or to fight back.

One could add also the choice to leave, but that is not always straightforward. Carrie Symonds was in her own flat, she was asking Boris Johnson to leave. He was not doing this. She hence had two choice - to submit to what he wanted or to fight back. One might assume (I was not there) that the shouting etc was her fighting back - she had after all asked him to leave.

As soon as women fight back, it becomes seen as a high conflict relationship rather than domestic abuse, but let’s look at the power structures - powerful white male known to have a temper problem and be volatile others have backed this up; younger woman who is asking him to leave her flat. There may not have been violence but there was certainly disregard for her.

I really do not believe there is a case for arguing that CS was the aggressor here, but well done for getting in with the ‘women are abusers too’ trope likeamillpond

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