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MP Mark Field grabs female protester by throat

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summerofresistance · 21/06/2019 00:57

I hope she presses charges. Totally unnecessary and unacceptable.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if he has form for DV.

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FloralBunting · 23/06/2019 16:03

Man lashes out violently. Much deflection from posters suggesting the victim might have concealed WMD in her reticule. He is suspended and says he's sorry. Posters can't see a problem and still think the possibility of WMD in her reticule was reason enough to grab at her throat and get snippy at being asked for their reasoning.

Move on, feminists. Nothing to see here.

redspider1 · 23/06/2019 16:04

2 days? Ha ha I’ve only seen this thread today. I’ll leave you to it now as it’s getting boring.Bye

FeministCat · 23/06/2019 16:05

I don’t think people would keep asking questions if you actually answered them?

Last time I checked the purpose of Mumsnet was not just for people to state their opinion and be done. Discussion is part of the process. Discourse is something people with opinions participate in.

I believe someone who is so offended at being asked questions and sees it as an attempt to “change their opinion” must feel pretty insecure on the grounds for their opinion to begin with. It’s a bit like putting your fingers in your ears and shouting “la la la la I can’t hear you, I’m rubber and your glue”

Given you say you derived your opinion from the videos, I think it is perfectly reasonable that people are wondering:

  1. What about the video makes it look like she was threatening and about to attack as she walked past a pillar and a large group of people (mostly men) in her heels, dress, and hands occupied by a phone and a tiny evening bag?;
  1. What made you think she may be armed, despite going through security, and why her compared to anyone else there with pockets or bags?;
  1. Why do you think Field saw her as a particular threat that no one else did - including security - that had him reach back as she walked past to push her, hold her against a pillar, turn her around, and march her out with hand at back of her neck, and then admonish her for interrupting his dinner?
  1. If Field though she was armed, why did he leave her arms free to throw her phone at him or unzip her bag and pull out her lipstick (or gun or knife or acid, if you prefer), she still had both her phone and her bag the entire time.
IcedPurple · 23/06/2019 16:07

2 days? Ha ha I’ve only seen this thread today.

Just happened upon the Feminism board, did you?

I’ll leave you to it now as it’s getting boring.Bye

Taa raa then. Make sure you don't give any angry drunk men reason to believe you're carrying a shotgun in your underwear or anything.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/06/2019 16:21

Yessir...

CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/06/2019 16:23

2 days? Ha ha I’ve only seen this thread today. I’ll leave you to it now as it’s getting boring.Bye Oh! I missed the last page, forgot to refresh.

Did The Wimmins not do as they were told? Never mind, hun. You'll be better prepared for their naughtiness next time!

IcedPurple · 23/06/2019 16:28

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Maybe this thread only got flagged up on MRA sites last night?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/06/2019 17:05

Oh! You could be right. I've been off air for a day. I thought I might have missed something!

IcedPurple · 23/06/2019 17:13

BTW if you want a laugh, check out the AIBU thread on this subject.

It went from the usual 'defence' as argued by the likes of redspider, to someone claiming that she was about to pick up a table knife and stab the Chancellor, to someone concocting a scenario of your son's ex turning up at his wedding in a white dress, to someone claiming that the Mayor had asked her to leave, and that that by extension gave a random nobody like Mark Field the right to forcibly eject her.

Once you get over the fact that people - presumably many of them women - are going out of their way to excuse an assault on a woman, it's hilarious stuff in a surreal sort of way.

Whosorrynow · 23/06/2019 17:48

(from the article)
Johnson is 55 and Symonds is 31. He is broader and taller than she is. Second, Johnson is a white, Old Etonian man who hails from a semi-aristocratic family with an impressive network of connections. Third, he is currently the front-runner to be our country’s next Prime Minister.
I cannot speak for Symonds but I know that if I were in her situation and I found myself in a fractious argument with that particular man, I would feel threatened. Johnson’s power is founded on privilege – of birth, of age, of education, of race and of gender. His actions cannot for one minute be separated from inequitable systems that underpin them.
And if you think I’m being melodramatic, consider this: when the newspaper that ran the story first contacted the Metropolitan Police to corroborate the facts, the reporter was told no such incident had taken place.
This is a man who has repeatedly been callous with other people’s feelings, possessions and livelihoods.
It’s the ethos of the Bullingdon Club he was once a member of at Oxford – the idea that you can go out, get drunk and smash stuff up because you have enough money to pay for the damage.

I asked Johnson about his chequered relationship with the truth. He responded by quoting a line of dialogue from Scarface, the 1983 film about a drug baron (played by Al Pacino) who viciously murders anyone who stands in his way. ‘I always tell the truth even when I lie,’ Johnson said.
It was a surprising admission. This, I think, is the key to understanding the Johnson psychology: he believes he knows what’s best, for himself and for the country.
It doesn’t matter what he has to smash up to get there.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 23/06/2019 18:37

Saw the video today and I was shocked.
She wasn't going to him anyway - she was going past him and he jumped up, shoved her and grabbed her.
Totally inappropriate. He had a good 30~ seconds to watch her coming and decide what to do and the element of surprise was on his side.

Misogyny in action.

Benjispruce · 23/06/2019 22:10

I think your OP is inflammatory. I can’t see him grabbing her by the throat. I think he was a bit heavy handed and his apology is required but I do think the current climate has made reactions like that more likely. What were security thinking? Surely they know that all delegates have arrived, why doors doors closed and secured?

Isatis · 23/06/2019 22:23

No I won’t come up with something better. Split second decision. He has apologised given what he now knows

But, according to you, redspider, it was the right decision, so why should he have apologised?

Could it be because his stated reasons for making that decision are clearly blatant lies?

OccasionalKite · 24/06/2019 01:29

The man is a thug. Physically assaulted a woman who posed no threat to him. It is all there on video.

He is a filthy bastard.

IcedPurple · 24/06/2019 10:17

the current climate has made reactions like that more likely

The 'current' climate' where Greenpeace activists routinely pose physical threats to the public?

deydododatdodontdeydo · 24/06/2019 10:49

Once you get over the fact that people - presumably many of them women - are going out of their way to excuse an assault on a woman, it's hilarious stuff in a surreal sort of way.

I've just come to accept the fact that a lot of people are just violent.
I'm currently reading an AIBU where dozens of mums are justifying violent behaviour from a mum to her 7 yo daughter because she is a "poor mum, probably at the end of her tether".
And I regularly read local paper comments asking for (admittedly vile) criminals to be hung, have their hands cut off, castrated with a rusty knife, kicked to death, all sorts of medieval stuff.

Annasgirl · 24/06/2019 10:56

@deydododatdodontdeydo yes 100% agree on that - I just read that thread too and was horrified at the excusing of the mum's violence - I was about to ask them would they excuse a man doing it to his wife, but after reading the Johnson and Field threads they probably would.

MockerstheFeManist · 24/06/2019 11:33

Next time I see Mark Field, I'm going to grab him by the throat, just to be on the safe side.

I mean what if he's got a gun/knife/sharp piece of fruit?

Whosorrynow · 24/06/2019 12:02

Really you should get someone significantly bigger and stronger than he is to grab him by the neck, and slam him against the wall too, just to get the full experience

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