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Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2

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R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 13:05

link to previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605120-Munroe-Childline-s-first-LGBT-campaigner

NSPCC statement by CEO Peter Wanless
www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/news-opinion/munroe-bergdorf

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3609218-Hi-from-Safe-Schools-Alliance-UK

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resisterpersister · 13/06/2019 23:41

Apparently the NSPCC knew about this guy's fetish back in December - did we know this?

  • according to this person on Twitter anyway.

twitter.com/TFL88/status/1139293079314325504

Although - I doubt they knew about the wanking.

Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
GlorianaCervixia · 14/06/2019 00:02

It’s obvious that his work was a key part of his fetish. Hence filming himself at work, wearing fetish gear under work clothes, masturbating at work. That his work involves the protecting children makes this so distressing and I can’t believe he hasn’t been sacked. I can’t think of any workplace where this would be defended.

The NSPCC should be disbanded. They are incapable of doing their job.

FreeFreesia · 14/06/2019 00:02

The CEO apology says it was the trustees who said part with MB. A couple of things a quick Google threw up: Lot of the trustees have what look like solid safeguarding backgrounds. Though this old thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2877528-Dr-Tanya-Byron-ignoring-gendered-violence shines another perspective.

The Chairman Neil Berkett did 7 years as a trustee, left for 1 year & came back Oct 2018. NSPCC governance states max 3 terms of 3 years. A bit unusual to be appointed for less than the standard term of 3 years?

Datun · 14/06/2019 00:03

Dear lord. They knew.

Datun · 14/06/2019 00:05

Although - I doubt they knew about the wanking.

But all they would have to do is look at his LinkedIn, right? Just like anyone else. The wanking pic is over a year old.

R0wantrees · 14/06/2019 00:12

Apparently the NSPCC knew about this guy's fetish back in December - did we know this?

I haven't seen mention of it
The links to 'fetish' blogs etc came via his LinkedIn where he also proudly spoke of securing Munroe Bergdorf for NSPCC

If NSPCC had warned an employee about their SM use, its odd that they should leave potentially contentious references on what is a site predominantly for work rather than private life.

There seems likely quite a lot going on here which I hope NSPCC HR is working through.

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R0wantrees · 14/06/2019 00:16

Lot of the trustees have what look like solid safeguarding backgrounds.

When presented with the facts, those with Safeguarding backgrounds will make clear & absolute decisions.

The fudge will then be how this is presented.

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Oldstyle · 14/06/2019 00:17

You would certainly hope so but the silence suggests that there's a deep-rooted culture of woke male entitlement (at the very least) - or possibly something more disturbing. Twitter is busy discovering the continuing & influential existence of original PIE members within the LGBT world. I've run out of tin foil but nothing would surprise me anymore.

R0wantrees · 14/06/2019 00:24

Dear lord. They knew.

Someone knew, it could be this was a line manager within the marketing team / HR etc rather than anyone with robust Safeguarding experience.

The way the Mumsnet chat was handled may also be indicative of issues not been put in front of people who see clearly the bigger issues in the context of Child Protection.

This is the disconnect & one which is not limited to NSPCC but many other charities/organisations. Issues are seen in the context of reputation /PR

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R0wantrees · 14/06/2019 00:26

You would certainly hope so but the silence suggests that there's a deep-rooted culture of woke male entitlement (at the very least) - or possibly something more disturbing. Twitter is busy discovering the continuing & influential existence of original PIE members within the LGBT world. I've run out of tin foil but nothing would surprise me anymore.

Absolutely agree.
I think there will be many aspects contributing to the systemic Safeguarding failures. Some nefarious.

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/06/2019 00:35

I've read a few times in this and the last thread about why the papers haven't picked it up. Of course they know, they know about MB being dropped so the know about this. Funny that one certain paper seems to trawl this website to find stories but won't print this one... I'm also disgusted at the replies people like Glinner are getting. Holy shit, how are those people defending this.
fetish
noun
1.
a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc.

His fetish is leather, and it seems too include recording himself masturbating and urinating, at work. And then uploading it to the Internet.
As was said in another thread, wake the fuck up women, this is not a drill.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/06/2019 00:39

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R0wantrees · 14/06/2019 00:45

Bythegrabhammers, I think that's the posters name, said in a thread a while back about this uneasiness she felt, that something was happening all around but couldn't quiet figure out what. That's what this is now. It's here on all fronts and we need to push back.

Yes, you're right. Its not a drill. Women waking up & standing up together do have power.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2019 02:07

Just seen this:

Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2019 02:11

twitter.com/tfl88/status/1139293079314325504?s=21

NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2019 02:13

I couldn't see it for some reason till went in another way.

Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2019 02:14

12.12.18

NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2019 02:18

Sorry if that's a repetition, I think the twitter thread had moved on since resisterpersister posted. Not sure!

Up all night with fevered child, brain a bit slow.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/06/2019 02:19

And yet he still had his fetish videos linked to his LinkedIn until earlier today. That is not naivety and you couldn't call it stupidity,he knows what he was doing and it added to the fetish.

Cwenthryth · 14/06/2019 03:44

Wow, I naïvely didn’t foresee this twist - so at least someone at the NSPCC with supervisory capacity was aware 6 months ago of James Making publicly linking his professional role with his sexual fetish, and therefore we must assume they were aware of him posting a video of himself masturbating in the workplace. An illegal act in itself.

And women pointing out that this is inappropriate are homophobic bullies? Right.

NotBadConsidering · 14/06/2019 05:20

Imagine this in reverse. Imagine it coming up at the interview:

NSPCC: Thank you for answering those questions James. Now before we conclude the interview, is there anything you would like to ask us?

James: yes, there is one thing. Is it ok if I masturbate in the toilets here?

NSPCC: Sorry?

James: Masturbation. In the office toilets. Is that ok? Sometimes I just need a bit of a release you know? I might video it as well if that’s ok. Then upload that video to the internet. It’s sort of a hobby Blush.

NSPCC: I can’t see a problem with that. Carol from HR, any problems you can foresee? No, all good? Great. Welcome aboard!

Any other employer: Don’t call us, we’ll call you.

Yeahnahyeah · 14/06/2019 05:52

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

FermatsTheorem · 14/06/2019 06:59

It's the total disconnect from the way probably 99% of the world sees this. I've worked in places where men have been sacked for watching porn in the workplace (guy on the night shift, security guard came across him). This bloke is making porn in his workplace.

And yet no-one in positions of authority within the NSPCC - a charity supposedly with child safeguarding at its centre - seems bothered. Quite the reverse. They're closing ranks and backing him to the hilt.

There's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

hoodathunkit · 14/06/2019 07:06

Speaking as someone who has friends who enjoy BDSM as an important part of their relationship, as someone who thinks that the idea that BDSM should be banned is insane, as someone who has campaigned for the rights of sexual minorities for decades, I would just like to make the following point:

People who enjoy a bit of spanking / creative roleplay in the bedroom / that kind of thing, especially if they are lesbian, gay or bisexual should avoid the NSPCC like the plague.

Just being involved with this organisation may adversely affect your reputation and may compromise your ability to find work even more than had you been involved with say, Kids Company.

This whole debacle not only shows the NSPCC to have not the first idea about child protection and safeguarding, it also shows that the NSPCC, by their frankly batshit insane response to this situation, is contributing to the astroturfing of LGBTIwhatever communities in such a way that makes them even more vulnerable to abuses than before the NSPCC got involved with protecting and apologising for the fetish toilet wanker.

NSPCC, you have not only lost the plot re child safeguarding and protection, you are promoting an impression of the gay and BDSM communities that is deeply offensive to anyone who has had even the most fleeting involvement with such communities.

Your defence of the fetishistic toilet wanker is homophobic and many would argue kink-phobic as it portrays someone who goes into a toilet at a children's charity in full on fetish wear, during work time and who makes a wank amateur porn film in those same toilets as being in some way representative of the BDSM community. He is not representative at all, just as he is not representative of the gay community.

I cannot speak on behalf of the BDSM community / communities as I no longer have contact with them but if you think for one moment that most people who enjoy a BDSM lifestyle would support your deranged narratives claiming that fetish wank man is being bullied you are in for a rude awakening.

What is most odious to me is not the unpleasant photos I have seen of toilet wank man in his tight fitting rubber outfits - I am an open minded person and I understand that what appears grim and unpleasant to one person may appear beautiful to another - it is the NSPCC's response to this disastrous clusterfuck, a response that demonstrates, without any shadow of a doubt that the NSPCC needs an urgent review of its staffing, training, procedures and practices.

When a charity whose entire premise is based on child protection demonstrates that it has lost its way in such a profound manner it is time to either shut it down completely or to subject it to a thorough clean out and remove not just the bad apples (of which there seem to be many) but the roots and branches supporting them.

resisterpersister · 14/06/2019 07:07

And, no one in the media will report it.

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