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Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2

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R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 13:05

link to previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605120-Munroe-Childline-s-first-LGBT-campaigner

NSPCC statement by CEO Peter Wanless
www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/news-opinion/munroe-bergdorf

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3609218-Hi-from-Safe-Schools-Alliance-UK

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hoodathunkit · 14/06/2019 07:17

First they came for the men who dressed in fetishwear and made porn films in the toilets of a child protection charity...........

SophoclesTheFox · 14/06/2019 07:21

I would really like it if one day I could get up and for the world not to remind me of the glaring fucking chasm between what’s expected of men and what’s expected of women.

I feel I have to hide my political activity on feminism from my work for fear of being sacked. What a contrast to this sorry affair.

We’re still waiting on any kind of coherent statement from the NSPCC I take it?

TimeLady · 14/06/2019 07:23

I'd like to think this is a warning shot in today's Times by the chairwoman of the Charity Commission

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/oxfam-is-not-the-only-charity-that-has-damaged-itself-rzk7vvwrc?shareToken=acbeaf2b440d47a76d4f8d5163a9b8a1

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 14/06/2019 07:24

If (if?!) the story is as big as it appears to be then I'm not surprised that there has been little media reporting so far. Any reputable outlet will want to be absolutely on top of facts before covering this - and to take a bit of time to talk to plenty of people / organisations including obvoiusly the NSPCC. It sort of "feels" to me like a "weekend paper" story - so I'm wating to see what The Times and The Mail come up with this weekend.

I'm assuming that there is not one of those legal "no reporting" things in place (is it called a D notice?) because if there were Owen Jones wouldn't be able to write his mendacious columns.

hipsterfun · 14/06/2019 07:24

I feel I have to hide my political activity on feminism from my work for fear of being sacked.

There will be very few of us who don’t.

Cwenthryth · 14/06/2019 07:24

This scandal really does seem to have the proportion now to bring the whole NSPCC down, and I think that would be a massive shame, but perhaps necessary if those in charge are unable to immediately recognise the seriousness of these breaches and openly & honestly start an immediate thorough, systematic review not only of how six months have lapsed since they were first aware of what James Makings has been doing in their workplace and him being allowed to continue, but also how MB was appointed in the first place, their responses to both situations in the last few days, the debacle with the Kellie Moloney/Sarah Ditum event that was cancelled, their pathetic non-performance on the webchat here, etc. They’ve had very little to say about serious child safeguarding issues being raised with them for a while now, and it absolutely stinks. I think probably a review by an independent agency is needed, if such a thing is possible in the current climate.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 14/06/2019 07:27

A warning shot indeed, TimeLady.

GlorianaCervixia · 14/06/2019 07:28

I hope The Times will follow up on this. The near media blackout is worrying.

Cwenthryth · 14/06/2019 07:28

First they came for the men who dressed in fetishwear and made porn films in the toilets of a child protection charity...........

Hooda people on Twitter have absolutely used that poem in defence of Makings!

twitter.com/rkev3131/status/1139119247253213189?s=21

Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
Cwenthryth · 14/06/2019 07:29

You can’t parody this Confused

BigGreenOlives · 14/06/2019 07:29

It’s really distressing that none of the MSM will publish on this. I guess none of them have taken part in Child Safeguarding courses unlike lots of members of MN. We have to complete an hour long course & pass a test before we can volunteer at DDs school, I had to attend two or three additional sessions as I was a volunteer team chair. How many journos have received training? Not many as they won’t come into contact with vulnerable people.

Cwenthryth · 14/06/2019 07:35

From the link Timelady posted, written by the chair of the Charity Commission in The Times:

And those in positions of leadership — from volunteer leaders of community groups to CEOs of large aid agencies — must hold themselves and their people to account for the way in which they carry out their mission. Some already do that. But all charities are custodians of something very precious. The commission as regulator will support charities in upholding public expectations and delivering maximum benefit to society. But we will also — as shown in the case of Oxfam — call them out when they fall short.

NSPCC is falling spectacularly short of public expectations here.

FermatsTheorem · 14/06/2019 07:35

Take the fetish out of the picture.

If a straight, vanilla man in my workplace wanked in the loos and posted it online, tied to his LinkedIn page, security would be escorting him off the premises before you could say P45. And my workplace has nothing to do with child safeguarding.

The fact that the NSPCC is reacting differently from every other same workplace in the country, and doing so when child safeguarding is their central mission, is even more worrying than the original incident.

The fact that none of the press will touch this - not the red tops (who normally love a sex scandal), nor the Times (who've been writing understandably self congratulatory pieces about how they broke the Oxfam scandal all this week and you would think would be thinking "aye aye... another similar scandal brewing").

Why the silence from the mainstream media (barring the Brain's fauning kinkster hagiography - which unfortunately for them is turning into the Streisand effect in action)?

FermatsTheorem · 14/06/2019 07:37

That should be the Graun obviously

Outofinspiration · 14/06/2019 07:41

I guess all we can really hope is that there is a total shit storm going on behind the scenes whilst they investigate this properly.

Cwenthryth · 14/06/2019 07:41

The only thing I can think of is that the whole sorry state of affairs is actually even bigger & deeper then what we know so far, and one of the serious journos is working on it to publish at the weekend, others are aware of that and holding off until it ‘breaks’

Outofinspiration · 14/06/2019 07:43

James Makings personal Instagram is now set to private as well, after him a day or so ago on his public stories talking about how unfairly he was being treated.

Iggypoppie · 14/06/2019 07:49

Just to summarise from the content ive seen so far:

  • JM has posted dozens of identifiable porn films onto xtube using jrub21. One is 'breathplay' i.e. another guy stopping him breathing. This is quite irresponsible because of the dangers of asphyxiation and people are dying because of 'rough sex'. Another is clearly titled that he is masturbating at work in rubber. This is one year ago, whilst working at Nspcc. Apparently titled 'w*nking in rubber at children's charity' (not seen that myself).
  • JM appears in films and podcasts with 'shut the woof up' who are a group of middle class dudes in leather dog masks. For some reason JM is happy to show his face will the no doubt more sensible others keep covered. In a podcast JM bemoans that some younger 'pups' only want belly rubs and are not into havings sex at clubs, which I believe is irresponsible could be adding to pressure on younger guys who probably look up to him.
  • JM is openly the organiser of Rubbermen of London and is interviewed with his fetish name jrubbercub. J rubbercub has various blogs, Instagram and twitter channels, made private in last two days. In one instagram post JM admits his employers knew about his fetish work but took no action.

-JM is on linkedin and has a link to his fetish work (not seen this personally).

  • JM is interviewed in a conversation entitled Fireside chat on youtube where he talks about being introduced to kink and rubber aged 10 by older family friends.
  • JM decides that Munroe Bergdof would be a great ambassador for Childline/NSPCC.
RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 07:51

Omg, he posted on his instagram that he nearly got sacked in December for his hobby - yet kept all his shit online including on his LinkedIn - and no one from the NSPCC checked up on this and he kept his job???!!!

What the actual fuck?!

And there's still no statement from the NSPCC???!!!

Outofinspiration · 14/06/2019 07:52

As far as I understand:

It wasnt JM who put the 'children's charity' bit in the tag line of his video. That was added by someone else who published the video.

He said he was introduced to rubber/kink at 15.

HandsOffMyRights · 14/06/2019 07:53

Red. Can you screenshot in case it 'disappears'?

Outofinspiration · 14/06/2019 07:54

I wonder who screenshot that Insta story about him being reported in December though? And why? The problem with Instagram stories is that they disappear quickly.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 14/06/2019 07:58

Apparently titled 'w*nking in rubber at children's charity'

For accuracy - I am pretty sure that no he didn't himself say "children's charity" when he uploaded the video - he just said "at work". The phrase I quote was by someone else on Twitter highlighting where that work in fact was.

(It's just that I hate when things get to the point where the likes of Little Owen get to think they've made a point when they get to say 'but he DIDN'T SAY CHILDREN'S CHARITY so there and that slip-up totally invalidates EVERYTHING ELSE people are saying about this.)

HandsOffMyRights · 14/06/2019 08:01

Sorry, playing catch up. Seen the screenshot and date stamp on Twitter.

Good question, Out.

We need a whistle blower from NSPCC. Even though there is a shed load of evidence, it would be even more of an eye opener to hear a colleague's perspective (assuming any of those 150 colleagues actually understands the issues here).
Jess Bradley's shenanigans were outed by a colleague, if I recall.

Iggypoppie · 14/06/2019 08:03

Thanks for the clarifications.

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