I was called a uterus haver.

[Oncewasblueandyellowtwo]

I was called a uterus haver, in a what'sapp chat, aimed at promoting female health,in a family chat...
The person who sent it is very woke, does lots for the community, lgbt and sporting.
I didn't reply as did no one else.
I said to my partner that it is an attempt at normalising that language, the one that can't say woman...

The important thing about cervical screening is that women go for it. Using terms that are unfamiliar to many women will not achieve this. The language used must meet people where they are, not in some ideal place where everyone knows their anatomy.

Yes, exactly Prawn.

They didn't say People with a cervix though. They said

Someone on a what'sapp chat sent a reminder to "all those with a cervix to get a smear test"

All those with a cervix is not the same as people with a cervix or uterus haver.

Yes it really is.

The OP wanted to discuss this as a feminist issue. She'd already had the conversation. We know this stupid woke phraseology is creeping in everywhere.

So she lied to make it fit in better with this board then?

Yes, that seems a good way to have a valid discussion.

No, she's explained why she said it. As I've said twice now.

*DD signed up for a surgery recently and the sign up form asked that people with cervixes check a box if they have not had a smear test.

She had no idea what cervixes meant. I doubt she was the only one, and many women will end up not getting checked as a result. *

Your DD is old enough to be registering at a doctor's surgery, but she doesn't know what a cervix is? That is a bit worrying.

Her explanation makes sense. She made up something that was way more inflammatory than what was actually said and a few posts later admits what was really said and justifies herself by saying that she didn't want to out herself.

Why not just post what was actually said in the first place? Presumably because it wouldn't have got the level if attention that "uterus haver" got.

She explained why. That's why she did it.

But do keep on derailing.

🙄 Calling someone a uterus haver is absolutely not the same as saying that anyone with a cervix needs a smear test. One is insulting, the other is a statement of fact.

The fact that people are trying to argue that they are the same reminds me why I actually have all the feminism boards on MN hidden. If I'd realised where this thread was before I read and posted I would have ignored it.

It has two separate issues on it anyway - of course every woman should have a smear test (assuming they have a cervix). That is irrelevant based on the first post though which is about a completely different matter entirely.

Now I am going to remedy the "hidden topic" thing by hiding the post.

Recent cancer campaign aimed at people with cervixes got a clobbering on here and rightly so.

Loads of women (and men) won't know what a cervix is. The campaign will not hit its target effectively.

Women who have had their cervix removed are much more likely to know what it is and know its not aimed at them.

Agree women and trans men is good inclusive way to put it.

The fact that people are trying to argue that they are the same reminds me why I actually have all the feminism boards on MN hidden. If I'd realised where this thread was before I read and posted I would have ignored it.

I'm really not seeing your logic here. All "Those with a cervix" are women. It's not how people normally speak unless they've bought into this ideology.

Many women don't know what a cervix is or whether they have one. Some women think they have had a full hysterectomy and don't need a smear when they actually still have a cervix and could get cervical cancer. But hide the thread if you don't want to clarify or engage, whatever.

How should health campaigns for smear tests be worded then if the issue is lots of women don't know they have a cervix?

Explain what a cervix is in plain English terms, and that you may still have one if you've only had a partial hysterectomy. And don't avoid using the word woman about this women's health issue. You can also mention that "trans men" are also highly likely to have a cervix unless they've had a full hysterectomy.

All "Those with a cervix" are women.

But not all women have a cervix so they won't need a smear test. So it seems quite ok to me to "all those with a cervix get a smear test" particularly as it was an informal message and not a health campaign and also we don't know the context of that sentence nor if that was what was actually written, given the OP has form for misrepresentation.

Are you actually reading the posts? I've explained why this is an issue.

So it seems quite ok to me to "all those with a cervix get a smear test"

Good for you. It doesn't to me, and many others. This thread is about the use of woke obfuscatory language when it could cause confusion about health care needs. For which there is no need. It's not just about the OP.

Wow is frances fitzgerald pushing trans agenda? Im disappointed u
in her.

I repeat

Many women don't know what a cervix is or whether they have one. Some women think they have had a full hysterectomy and don't need a smear when they actually still have a cervix and could get cervical cancer.

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Which is all fine if you are printing a leaflet or a large advert. But most of these campaigns are a strap line or at least a headline with more detail contained underneath.

The invitation to have a smear does give all of the information and a more detailed explanation.

I also don't think a quick message in a family whatsapp group needs to contain an explanation of what a cervix is and why a woman may or may not have one. I think that's a little unnecessary.

The big problem here is why apparently so many girls and women aren't educated about their own bodies. What has gone wrong there?

That's why you need to engage the greatest number, not let them think it might not be an issue. Then you can explain in the small print.

I agree there should be better education about bodies for both men and women.

If they see it on a billboard and think it probably doesn't apply, how likely are they to google it and read the small print? Women have cervixes. Even those women who identify as men. Anyone of the opposite sex does not.

But this isn't about health education, health campaigns or engaging the greatest number.

It is about a family member posting in a family whatsapp group. Yes, they are probably overstepping because it isn't really any of there business who has and hasn't had a smear test but equally I don't think they are responsible for having to post a page long public service announcement about what a cervix is and who may or may not have one.

It's not just about the OP. This is a discussion about a feminist issue in FWR. Not AIBU.