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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I was called a uterus haver.

181 replies

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 11/05/2019 22:22

I was called a uterus haver, in a what'sapp chat, aimed at promoting female health,in a family chat...
The person who sent it is very woke, does lots for the community, lgbt and sporting.
I didn't reply as did no one else.
I said to my partner that it is an attempt at normalising that language, the one that can't say woman...

OP posts:
Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 12/05/2019 09:31

I'm another who is shocked - and quite sad - that young women might not know that they have a cervix.

Women need to understand their anatomy if they are to have agency over their own bodies.

I don't know if the hpv vaccine is given in Ireland, but surely any young woman who had the jab as a teen would have been told what it was for?

Outofinspiration · 12/05/2019 09:35

DD signed up for a surgery recently and the sign up form asked that people with cervixes check a box if they have not had a smear test.

She had no idea what cervixes meant. I doubt she was the only one, and many women will end up not getting checked as a result.

Your DD is old enough to be independently registering for a surgery and she didn't know what 'cervix' meant or that she had one? Confused I hope you have remedied that now?

Outofinspiration · 12/05/2019 09:38

I was listening to Radio 1 a few years ago and there was a male and female DJ on there, both sounded like they were in their twenties. For some reason (it was an evening show but I can't remember what the subject was) the word 'gyaenocologist' came up - the female DJ had no idea what a gyaenocologist was, and the male DJ had to explain it to her!

HandsOffMyRights · 12/05/2019 09:44

OP, don't let them get away with that! Absolutely call out any prick who uses offensive language.
See how he likes bring called an ejaculator.

OhHolyJesus · 12/05/2019 09:55

Thanks for explaining all this OP, I do think we have to say something as otherwise, as you say, the language becomes normalised.

Would it cause a big family row if you stood up to Woke Cousin? It sounds like another one of those 'woman states biological facts' stories I know but how else can we object if we stay silent. I appreciate it's not my partner or my family so easy for me to say perhaps.

PantsyMcPantsface · 12/05/2019 10:01

My brother's the sort who'd come out with shite like this (we barely speak) - difference is I can invoke the clause of "you're my younger sibling and you're being a prat - I'm going to bloody well tell you so" in that case.

Best he told me was when telling him that my kid tended to arch her back going into the car seat so make sure her bum was in all the way before trying to do the straps up was that I was guilty of "indulging in blameist language against the child" .... oh how I can't wait till he has kids and gets that crash course in actual parenting. I told him he was being a sanctimonious idiot and to feck off.

OrchidInTheSun · 12/05/2019 10:02

Woke language is killing women

SoupDragon · 12/05/2019 10:03

See how he likes bring called an ejaculator.

The only time I can see that the OP has mentioned their gender is when she referred to the person as her

DpWm · 12/05/2019 10:05

I'd reply
"Yes I totally agree. All women on this chat, please make sure to have regular smear tests. Women in Ireland have died because of an institutional crises. As a woman I feel sadness and worry that Irish women could be at risk.
Book your smear!
Lots of love and best wishes to my lovely family xxxx xxxxxxx "

Outofinspiration · 12/05/2019 10:07

Yeah just say what DpWm said and then when they object and say 'not all people with a cervix are women blah blah blah' just don't reply. That will really piss them off!

mineallmine · 12/05/2019 10:17

DpWm's response is perfect. Let that be the last comment on the thread. If it's pissed you off, you can be sure it's annoyed others too. Don't let it go unchallenged. That response isn't combative - it looks like you're wholeheartedly agreeing but you're actually correcting the fool.

Endofthedays · 12/05/2019 10:37

DD was not old enough to be independently registering for a surgery, but she was old enough to be considered capable of independently filling in her own health questionnaire by the doctor.

Given the number of women on threads on here that don’t know the difference between a vagina and a vulva, don’t know what endometriosis is, don’t understand the position of the clitoris, don’t understand variation in hymens, I think it is fair to say many women are not that clear on female anatomy, particularly internal anatomy.

And health care professionals should be working with patients based on what the population do know, not what they think people should ideally know.

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2019 10:42

And health care professionals should be working with patients based on what the population do know, not what they think people should ideally know.

This. Health care information should be non obfuscatory and written in plain English. There is no justification for making it less clear to pander to a small group.

DuMondeB · 12/05/2019 10:43

Feel free to send them this link - tell them that personal story featured is that of one of your Mumsnet friends...

fairplayforwomen.com/cancer_research_drops_woman/

BogglesGoggles · 12/05/2019 10:45

I personally prefer uterite

Phuquocdreams · 12/05/2019 10:48

Why is everyone assuming it was a man that said this? The OP said her. Just from looking on Twitter, Irish women are at least as likely, probably much more likely in fact, to come out with this shite.

ixqik · 12/05/2019 10:48

prostate haver...

DecomposingComposers · 12/05/2019 10:53

So the message didn't say "uterus haver" then? Why did you say it did?

What it said was if you have a cervix get a smear test (or words to that effect)?

Why is that a problem?

Surely if a woman doesn't know what a cervix is they might not know what a smear test is either, or why they need it, so what language would you prefer to be used to ensure that everyone understands?

I think you've exaggerated this for dramatic effect.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/05/2019 10:57

“I’ve got tits too” I may have responded but more likely “how fucking offensive - who gives you the right to redefine the terminology I use to describe myself as a woman (you utter arsehole)?”

Endofthedays · 12/05/2019 10:59

If someone said women need x test, I would know x test applied to me, regardless of my knowledge of X.

SoupDragon · 12/05/2019 11:04

Why is everyone assuming it was a man that said this? The OP said her.

I've mentioned that a couple of times. No one cares.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/05/2019 11:05

And idiot is an idiot. Idiocy has not sex or gender.

OrchidInTheSun · 12/05/2019 11:05

If you say 'women need to have regular smear tests', that is abundantly clear. If you say 'people with cervices need to have regular smear tests' that is opaque and not all women will understand.

The question is whether you think scoring woke cookies is is more important than women's health.

OrchidInTheSun · 12/05/2019 11:06

Sadly some people find the level of internalised misogyny some women display hard to believe.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/05/2019 11:07

Just refuse to buy into the crap. It’s male centred - must they own everything?