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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"I wouldn't even rape you!" - UKIP MP Carl benjamin unapologetic

199 replies

IrishGal21 · 08/05/2019 14:26

Another pathetic male trying to intimidate a strong woman

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TheRedBarrows · 09/05/2019 07:58

I love the editing in one of those news clips about Nu UKIP
UKIP Guy in suit “Nigel F is wrong, UKIP is not a party of thugs, I’m a barrister, not someone with tattoos”
Cut to shot of Carl B and colleague with tattoos clearly visible.

(I have nothing against tattoos per se, obv)

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:01

I just about whether you think the UK is the one who has defined rape the "correct" way and other countries that allow females to legally rape men, have it wrong? ”
Personally? Yes I do. Rape is a unique crime of power and dominance. The weaponising of a penis needs a name.

ok, I'm sorry I was long-winded. I get that we are talking about the UK, I just wanted to know if people think our definition is The Correct one, which you have answered, thank you.

The other was would you tell people that? E.g. if you had a lesbian friend who used the word "rape" to talk about here experience of sexual assault from female partner, would you at any point correct her? Or would it be a ((think it personally, but don't say it)) situation?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/05/2019 08:07

Start a thread maybe cylindra

People will probably be more willing to engage if they think its a question

As opposed to a derailment when everyone is discussing something else

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:09

I didn't think it was derailment, it was about rape? And no doubt i'd get tonnes of responses about being an MRA or a goady fucker just for starting a thread to ask.

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:10

I mean the whole "can men be raped by women" had already been mentioned, that's what sparked the whole cultural context/moral truth question I was trying to get at.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/05/2019 08:13

And no doubt i'd get tonnes of responses about being an MRA or a goady fucker just for starting a thread to ask.

Apart from bertrand who is very polite about answering questions i dont think you are going to get replies

people are also going to say and think what they want
Youve asked the question on here...and people may still think you are an MRA or goady fucker

i dont care, i just think you might actually get a discussion on a thread of its own

R0wantrees · 09/05/2019 08:14

Deborah Orr's inews article worth reading (linked previously)

'Carl Benjamin and Jess Phillips: What it means to joke about raping (or not raping) a woman
He imagines he is saying something vile about the woman. Of course, in reality, he is saying something vile about himself'

(extract)
Of course, in reality, he is saying something vile about himself. A number of vile things, actually.

He is effectively saying that he hasn’t understood the physical advantage that men, generally, have over women. He is saying that he has never considered what the fact of greater male strength might mean for women, even though women are raped, beaten and killed every single day by men.

The reality he hasn’t considered is that men rape women because they can. He is saying that he has never thought about what it might be like to be physically overwhelmed, to have it made clear to you that this physical overwhelming is sexually exciting to your attacker, and that that attacker intends to physically overwhelm you as much as they can, by thrusting a part of their own body into your body.

He is saying that he hasn’t thought about how abhorrent this is, the idea of using a woman’s body as a chunk of meat. He is saying that he has not thought about how sex is something that can result in pregnancy for women, that it can change their life and make a new one.

He is saying that he hasn’t realised that this violent, violating crime is such a big deal.

He is saying that he hasn’t considered that for some men, women are ultimately objects, to be used for something they think is sex, but is actually a gruesome, disgusting form of masturbation, with the bonus that it hurts and defiles a woman.

He might even tell people that he wouldn’t even rape this woman. This, he says, is a joke. If people disagree with him, he may truly believe that this proves that he is right – that along with their many other uselessnesses, women can’t even take a joke.

Carl Benjamin, who has been accepted as a Ukip candidate for this month’s European elections, has been joking about whether or not he would rape Jess Phillips, the Labour MP for Birmingham Yardley, for years. He has been banned from a social media site because of it. But he has not been banned from membership of his political party. On the contrary, his colleagues think that this man is fit to stand for election." (continues)

inews.co.uk/opinion/carl-benjamin-rape-joke-jess-phillips-ukip-european-elections/

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:19

Apart from bertrand who is very polite about answering questions i dont think you are going to get replies

I don't understand why? Honestly I don't. I was just interested after seeing the back and forth between you users and the other poster who said males can be raped by females. I was wondering if that kind of misunderstanding could happen if one poster is from a country where they can etc... And if the feeling is our law is contextual and subjective, or morally right. I wasn't going to argue you were wrong, but I do have a lesbian friend (as in the example given to Bertrand) who does use "rape" to understand what happens to her, although it doesn't fit the legal definition here. I wasn't trying to be "about the menz" and I'm sorry if it came across that way.

BertrandRussell · 09/05/2019 08:28

“if you had a lesbian friend who used the word "rape" to talk about here experience of sexual assault from female partner, would you at any point correct her?”

Of course I wouldn’t. Because I am not an insensitive arse. Unless of course we were talking about what she should say to the police. In which case I would.

Isn’t it interesting how often conversations about rape and rape culture end up being about women raping men and the definition of the word? I do wonder why that is......

BogglesGoggles · 09/05/2019 08:30

I saw this in the paper. What is the issue exactly? Obviously he’s a rude twat but it seemed he was being investigated for something? Was there something else that happened?

BogglesGoggles · 09/05/2019 08:32

@BertrandRussell well put

BertrandRussell · 09/05/2019 08:32
R0wantrees · 09/05/2019 08:35

Isn’t it interesting how often conversations about rape and rape culture end up being about women raping men and the definition of the word? I do wonder why that is......

One of the many ways in which identification of the the extent of male violence against women is limited/prevented/denied.

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:38

Of course I wouldn’t. Because I am not an insensitive arse. Unless of course we were talking about what she should say to the police. In which case I would.

Ok thanks.

Isn’t it interesting how often conversations about rape and rape culture end up being about women raping men and the definition of the word? I do wonder why that is......
I think the definition of the word is important - not many women grow up knowing the legal definition, I certaintly didn't anyway.

Possibly because women grow up in a rape culture dominated by men who want us to believe that rape with a penis is no different or more dangerous? Is it any wonder some women challenge the definition of rape when they have likely been told that anybody can be raped? Also I wasn't just talking about men, was I? I also specifically asked about women on women.

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:38

**

Why would you do that!?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/05/2019 08:40

Once again for those who don't 'get it'.

Some bloke publicly 'jokes' that he wouldn't rape' you/your mum/daughter/sister/brother/son... - this comment is aped by Neanderthal strangers who follow you down the street repeating it.

How do you feel?

I believe he also 'joked' about being so skint that rape was the only way to get sex.

And he want to represent the public (which includes people he would and wouldn't to rape)?

BertrandRussell · 09/05/2019 08:41

“Is it any wonder some women challenge the definition of rape when they have likely been told that anybody can be raped?”

Anybody can be raped.

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:41

... the definition of the word? Because there is no universal definition, which is why I asked if we thought ours was the correct one and should be universal.

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:42

“Is it any wonder some women challenge the definition of rape when they have likely been told that anybody can be raped?”

Anybody can be raped

I typed wrong. I meant anybody can be a rapist. As in, nobody sat us down in school to tell us they couldn't.

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:46

So perhaps we should start that type of education young? I mean has it changed since 2011 and they now do talk about only men being able to rape in schools etc? Might help the situation. Or maybe they did, but it wasn't remembered because it was done in sex ed and nobody really took that lesson seriously unfortunately... It's not usually seen as a proper lesson.

BertrandRussell · 09/05/2019 08:47

Anyway. Back to the appalling Benjamin and his appalling party who seem happy to be represented by him. And to the fabulous Jess Phillips who takes so much crap with so much resilience of spirit...

R0wantrees · 09/05/2019 08:47

Because there is no universal definition, which is why I asked if we thought ours was the correct one and should be universal.

Its impotant to be aware of the history of rape & how it has been defined.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/05/2019 08:48

Ive never heard a woman joke about raping anyone.

R0wantrees · 09/05/2019 08:50

Might help the situation. Or maybe they did, but it wasn't remembered because it was done in sex ed and nobody really took that lesson seriously unfortunately... It's not usually seen as a proper lesson

CylindraceousNicholas
Google is your friend here, or as PP suggested start a thread.

CylindraceousNicholas · 09/05/2019 08:55

Ive never heard a woman joke about raping anyone.

Really? It's not as common, definitely, but it does happen, just the same as women do exist that make Maddy McCann jokes. However, I think some of these women do it to be liked by men - there's an element of joining in with the sickness so they are seen as the "cool" girl who isn't "ultra feminazi" and a "killjoy". So I think with women a lot of it may be trying to be edgy.