"I wouldn't even rape you!" - UKIP MP Carl benjamin unapologetic

[IrishGal21]

Another pathetic male trying to intimidate a strong woman

who clearly cannot understand why any woman would feel threatened by rape jokes directed at them

This is a key issue. People can joke about whatever and I'm very skeptical of any attempt to limit even the blackest humour (that doesn't mean liking it), but directing these comments at someone is action not merely speech.

Even that should not be unlawful, but it should not be tolerated or excused either.

I really don't think stats matter in the fact of violence.

They do when you're claiming that women rape men. Because the number you'd come up with for that would be literally zero.

Are you sure you're a woman? Check again.

Even if you accept that, when she says women can rape men, @User6949671 means sexual assault by penetration with a foreign object, the number of such assaults is going to be vanishingly small, compared to the number of women who suffer rape, as it is legally defined in the UK.

If those types of assault exist we'd hear about them because the MRAs would be all over them. User would definitely have their stats at hand. User doesn't have stats because it hasn't happened.

There's a man who's just been arrested and charged with a rape spree all over England. We're not even talking about it here because men raping women and children is just part of the wallpaper, the environment we all live in. And Carl Benjamin sees fit to make "jokes" about it.

This is what you get from the right wing. This country has regressed to worse than it was in the seventies.

I read an account on here very recently from a rape victim who had the most horrific story I’ve ever heard - I don’t want to trigger anyone (so please skip if it might) but this was a stranger, she was drunk, there was even video evidence of her rape on her own phone that captured the man’s face.

She went to trial and he was found not guilty.

Given the current climate, anyone in a position of power or with a public voice who’s trying to normalise the use of this language needs to be feared and needs to be challenged. This is not a difficult thing to grasp.

it is legally defined in the UK.

Well, so this would mean that no, men cannot be raped in the UK, but in another country a man in the same situation could be classed as having been raped, so it's not a univers truth/fact that only women can be raped. It's a very particular definition of rape.
Just like a 17 year old with 21 year old is legal and fine here, but in some American states would be rape and the guy classed as some kind of peado.

It's contextual, dependent on where you live.

I mean if you met a man who had been legally raped in his country, he was a friend and mentioned if to you, would you really say "well actually no you weren't raped, not by our standards anyway"

*by a woman, specifically.

CylindraceousNicholas
You have misunderstood.
The UK criminal act of rape is specifically male.

Both males & females can be victims.

Rape
Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, it is an offence for any male to penetrate with his penis the vagina, anus or mouth of a female or male without their consent. Male rape became recognised in law in 1994 but the 2003 legislation made victims of rape gender neutral.

www.survivorsuk.org/question/male-sexual-abuse-and-the-law/

The UK criminal act of rape is specifically male.

*Both males & females can be victims.£

Rape
Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, it is an offence for any male to penetrate with his penis the vagina, anus or mouth of a female or male without their consent. Male rape became recognised in law in 1994 but the 2003 legislation made victims of rape gender

But in other countries legally a female can rape a male, right? The UK definition is not some universal truth - so if you met a man from a country where legally a female can rape a male, would you really minimise his experience by saying "well it doesn't really count as rape though , not in my country anyway"

CylindraceousNicholas
Please RTFT

You seem determined to challenge points which have not been made.
The discussion is about UK

I know. I just don't get the whole "men cannot be raped" because they can't be raped in the UK by a woman, doesn't mean they cannot be raped by women at all.

My point is if someone was raped legally by a woman in another country, would UK-based feminists accept the cultural relativism and accept they were raped by a woman, or hold true to the UK definition and really think they weren't.

E.g. if there were a news article about a man raped by a woman in X country. Would discussions mention that it wasn't "really" rape

Surely it also undermines lesbian rape? Because unless the woman uses a foreign object on the other female partner, it would only ever classed as "sexual assault, but a gay man could rape his male partner.

I wouldn't like to be in an abusive lesbian relationship, be sexually abused, just for at the end of it people to say "wasn't rape"

And really I find it illogical that a lesbian could only rape a woman if they penetrate with a foreign object, so if they held you down and forced you to have oral sex and penetrated you with their fingers, that's not rape but if they use a sex toy or something else it is? Nonsensical.

And yes I do understand in the UK only makes can rape, I am just thinking about some of the consequences/implications of that...

Rape means specifically non consensual penetration by a penis. So only men can rape. Both men and women can be, and are, raped.
Women can sexually abuse both men and women-but not rape them.

Women can sexually abuse both men and women-but not rape them.

Here yes, but would you say that to a male victim of female rape as defined by their country? Would you count them as a make victim of female rape or apply the UK definition to their situation?

"Sexual assault" seems to minimise what they went through, in say lesbian-based sexual assault just because it didn't involve a man's penis.

I know. I just don't get the whole "men cannot be raped"

Noone has said that men cannot be raped.
Noone has said that males cannot be sexually assaulted or abused by women.
The overwhelming majority of sexual offences are committed by males

"Sexual assault" seems to minimise what they went through

No sexual assault is very serious.

This is a thread about a woman being threatened by a man.
But people just can't help it can they. They can't get through one thread without saying but what about the men

But people just can't help it can they. They can't get through one thread without saying but what about the men

Indeed

ONS
'Sexual offences in England and Wales: year ending March 2017
Analyses on sexual offences from the year ending March 2017 Crime Survey for England and Wales and crimes recorded by police.'

(extract)
Offender characteristics
The vast majority of respondents who had experienced rape or assault by penetration since they were 16 reported that the offender(s) were male (99%), with 65% of victims reporting that the offender was a male aged between 20 and 39

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017/previous/v1#nature-of-sexual-assault-by-rape-or-penetration

But people just can't help it can they. They can't get through one thread without saying but what about the men

I am not saying the numbers are anywhere near. I just about whether you think the UK is the one who has defined rape the "correct" way and other countries that allow females to legally rape men, have it wrong? I want to know if morally you think it right, and that really it should apply to other countries, as in other countries just don't get the issue. ?

Basically, I know you all know the definition applies to the UK only, I am not debating that per se, I am asking if you think the UK has it morally correct to define it that way, and any country that doesn't define rape as solely by a makes penis is morally incorrect?

“I just about whether you think the UK is the one who has defined rape the "correct" way and other countries that allow females to legally rape men, have it wrong? ”
Personally? Yes I do. Rape is a unique crime of power and dominance. The weaponising of a penis needs a name.