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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sonia Poulton This Morning

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Slumcat · 06/05/2019 11:21

Did anyone see it?
She was there to discuss the LGBT sandwich in M&S, however she began speaking about the erasure of lesbians at pride and ended by shouting out to viewers to google the cotton ceiling.
Worth a watch
Well done Sonia

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Bluestitch · 06/05/2019 22:55

Does anyone remember the Friends episode where Joey writes a letter and uses a thesaurus for every word? Surprised he didn't sign it baby kangaroo Tribbiani.

littlbrowndog · 06/05/2019 22:55

Oh haha. The harrop frothing like an out of control,washing machine.

Best ever 😂😂😂😂😂

Great job. Eammons face was a special,treat
Like duh 🙄

HumberElla · 06/05/2019 23:02

Thanks for putting up that clip. Absolutely bloody fabulous. Talk about tearing up the brief, she made confetti out of it!

If Sonia is doing a follow up piece I can’t wait to see it.

FloralBunting · 06/05/2019 23:02

I do enjoy a proper Harrop froth. It's a guilty pleasure, like a ginormously overpriced cappuccino.

OccasionalKite · 06/05/2019 23:03

Oh, that clip is so heartwarming!

The link to that particular segment is on the previous page now, so here's reposting it, and thank you NeurotrashWarrior for posting it originally:

"You tube clip if anyone needs it:"

Excellent job by Sonia Poulton.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 06/05/2019 23:19

He’s basically admitting it’s a cult

He isnt admitting its a cult

He just doesn't understand what esoteric means

I dont think he knows what over 50% of the words he used means

And thats me trying to be kind...if im being honest i think he is probably struggling with the word 'and'

FloralBunting · 06/05/2019 23:21

Thickety Thick Thick from Thickania... and so's your dad.

As the Doctor would say.

Redshoeblueshoe · 06/05/2019 23:24

Rufus Grin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 06/05/2019 23:29

I was nice for like 4 whole sentences there redshoe

Definite improvement

CharlieParley · 06/05/2019 23:31

Continuing lesbophobia notwithstanding, Western societies generally now accept that lesbians have specific sexual boundaries, boundaries which exclude males. And we are rightly proud of our laws ensuring equal rights for them, ensuring that one's sexuality should not ever lead to being discriminated against.

Along comes some woman on morning TV telling us that this group of females is once again being attacked for their sexuality, their sexual boundaries once again disrespected by males, their voices raised in objection silenced and their protests forbidden by the LGBT community that now seeks to exclude them for asserting these boundaries publicly.

The TV show presenters are clearly uncomfortable, unaware and unprepared and try to gloss over this outburst but do not address it. Neither is the other guest, a lesbian there to pontificate about the inclusiveness of a sandwich. She also does not object or protest or disagree, instead tentatively acceding the accusation by asking plaintively "But how would you express that in a sandwich?"

Enter stage left: you, a hapless activist. A male member of the LGBT community belonging to a different subgroup who has publicly supported the male members of yet another subgroup in criticising and seeking to overcome these sexual boundaries.

So, your side is accused of propagating hate and supporting open attacks on the sexual boundaries of a marginalised group and of preventing this group from protesting against these attacks.

Your response is to complain that nuance and esotericism were ignored in making said accusation. You don't strongly deny the accusation. You don't refute it. What you're really saying is yes, but...

What the actual fuck could that yes, but even lead to? What nuance is the general public supposed to see in males once again attacking the sexual boundaries of a marginalised group of females? What spiritual aspect of this new(ish) kind of rape culture is the audience being deprived of?

That woman is a feeling in a man's head? That some men's bodies are inhabited by a female consciousness? That therefore their male body is rendered female and lesbians must now accept the penis attached to this magical being with the soul of a woman and the body of a man?

That contrary to public belief there are males who identify as trans who delight in using their penis to have sex with females?That in fact here we have men who have no issues with their male bodies? But who insist nonetheless that lesbians have to accept them as sexual partners because they also claim womanhood?

I'd say Sonia has wielded a fucking huge sledgehammer, driving a big wedge between what the general public think of as your average male who identifies as trans and the actual average male who identifies as trans. No amount of nuance is going to be enough to hide the reprehensible, women-hating nature of the cotton ceiling.

Thank you Sonia. The cotton ceiling is finally out there, thanks to you.

Try and spin that. The issue most transsexuals face when seeking relationships - that of social inclusion in queer circles, often elusive elsewhere, but sexual exclusion even there - might have been a cogent theoretical concept to discuss.

But the AGP dream of ultimate acceptance and the male entitlement turning this into a demand have resulted in a tool to attack lesbians with. And you've all embraced it.

There is no nuance here. No spiritual dimension to attacking sexual boundaries. There is just a huge pile of shit. Own it.

Redshoeblueshoe · 06/05/2019 23:40

Rufus it's your fifth sentence that made me laugh Grin

donquixotedelamancha · 06/05/2019 23:56

You know, I cycle through different favourite TRA trolls (Rachel Mckinnon was fantastic value for a while) but Adrian Harrop has kept up an incredibly high standard of "not clear whether he's taking the piss or a psychopath" comedy gold for a very long time.

docs.google.com/document/d/1SY36ih-84P-S1PmDv6kWi-_CSG9qmtwC20wPrClRipM/edit

This letter is just perfect. So I thought I'd write an open response:

  • Who uses 3 different font sizes in a letter and bolds their own name?

I have personally seen evidence that your production team have contacted a significant number of mainstream and high-profile figures within the LGBTQ+ commentariat, inviting them to participate in this conversation.

  • How would one impersonally see evidence? (Especially since you means 'saw a tweet'). Why do you think producers contacting commentators is some big gotcha?

She has positioned herself as a central and leading figure in the considerable backlash faced by the UK transgender community

  • No offence to Sonia Poulton, but I'd never heard of her. Exactly how many people do you think are in charge Adrian? (Unless....... Datun, are you Sonia Poulton :-)

Ms Poulton used offensive and inflammatory language to overtly and unapologetically demonise trans women as rapists and sexual predators.

  • Did she? I missed that.

It is disappointing that This Morning would use a subject such as this - a sandwich - as a device to frame and engineer yet another debate in which hostile individuals are given airtime to drive forward a trans-antagonistic narrative.

So your disappointment (awww- he's disappointed with you, This Morning) is with the sandwich as a framing device? We are fine to discuss the cotton ceiling, but only as it relates to soup?

In summary, This Morning has knowingly and deliberately made the LGBTQ+ community the subject of an adversarial conversation, in order to generate engagement and revenue.

In summary this is an excellent example of the GCSE 'writing to persuade' success criteria, but in the real world using multiple synonyms for every single fucking word is irritating, annoying and frustrating.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this matter in due course.

Why? Who would reply to a letter like this? You've asked no questions. You haven't made any specific complaints of error or misdeed. It's almost as if you didn't want a constructive response, but just wanted to show off your 'disappointment' and (poor) command of big words.

Since I know you google yourself all the time and are reading this- I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this matter Adrian.

FloralBunting · 07/05/2019 00:01

We are fine to discuss the cotton ceiling, but only as it relates to soup?

Spat out my cocoa laughing at the brilliantly sharp relief of the absurdity there.

Datun · 07/05/2019 00:32

Dear lord donquixotedelamancha, I hadn't seen the whole letter.

What tripe.

But interesting that he translated Sonia's mere mention of the cotton ceiling as

unapologetically demonise transwomen as rapists and sexual predators.

RedDogsBeg · 07/05/2019 00:57

CharlieParley you always eloquently articulate exactly what needs to be said, heard and listened to. Thank you.

borntobequiet · 07/05/2019 05:34

Sonia is brilliant. The presenters are rubbish. He says very very nice in exactly the same way as Donald Trump does, ugh.

Sunkisses · 07/05/2019 06:03

Sonia - if you are reading this, that was glorious. Thank you. I think the next high profile woman who goes on telly should also ask viewers to google 'autogynephilia' (perhaps pull out a piece of paper with #autogynephila written on it). I am sick of all the gas lighting that women have nothing to fear from men with sexual fetishes.

I found it hard to find the clip, so here is a direct link:
www.itv.com/thismorning/food/the-ms-lgbt-sandwich-debate

donquixotedelamancha · 07/05/2019 06:43

Dear lord donquixotedelamancha, I hadn't seen the whole letter.

It's quite special isn't it?

SarahTancredi · 07/05/2019 06:53

Funny how they can never quite say what was actually incorrect though, isnt it...

Deliriumoftheendless · 07/05/2019 06:58

Not an inclusive sandwich for anyone who doesn’t do meat, is it?

Which is apt.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 07/05/2019 07:23

Not an inclusive sandwich for anyone who doesn’t do meat, is it?

Those of us who don’t fancy a sausage are just bigoted.

SophoclesTheFox · 07/05/2019 07:39

I am dying watching eammon’s wee face crumple as Sonia launches into her epic broadside. He looks like my dog trying to do trigonometry 😂

Sonia, you magnificent woman, that was AMAZING. You could give masterclasses on how to use the most innocuous topic to springboard into the important issue that actually needs discussed.

I’ve dropped Sonia a mail via her website to say well done. I doubt she’s getting an invitation back to This Morning any time soon, but what a way to go. She’s never been afraid to go nuclear.

Great posts charlie and don.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 07/05/2019 07:44

I am dying watching eammon’s wee face crumple as Sonia launches into her epic broadside. He looks like my dog trying to do trigonometry.

GrinGrinGrin

R0wantrees · 07/05/2019 07:56

"But how would you express that in a sandwich?"

I am going to ask this a lot.
Grin Grin Grin

TeaEnjoyingRadiantFeminist · 07/05/2019 08:03

I haven't seen the clip yet (damn) but the dear doctor's letter has tickled me.

bamboozle the unprepared moderators Grin

Sonia Poulton This Morning