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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sonia Poulton This Morning

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Slumcat · 06/05/2019 11:21

Did anyone see it?
She was there to discuss the LGBT sandwich in M&S, however she began speaking about the erasure of lesbians at pride and ended by shouting out to viewers to google the cotton ceiling.
Worth a watch
Well done Sonia

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WrathofscumKlop · 06/05/2019 19:48

Just watched it.

Good for you Sonia, you were so ready with correct information and words.
No faux apologising, just straight in there with the facts.

No she never mentioned penis, in fact I think she actually swerved saying it and quickly said something else
I think we've been swerving a few too many words in polite conversation.

Certain people have taken advantage of this.

When you need to say something, say it loud and clear.

Sex, sex, sex, not gender.
Penis, penis, penis.
Vagina, vagina, vagina.

Facts.

feelingverylazytoday · 06/05/2019 19:54

I'm certain that if his wife or mother was n hospital he would not want them to have personal care done by a person with a penis
Why? My mother had male nurses and carers, never bothered me to be honest seeing as she didn't mind herself. I've worked with male nurses and HCPs, they were professionals and most female patients didn't have a problem with receiving care from them.

cottonwoolmouth · 06/05/2019 20:07

Greyworm and the hound are going to be setting their sights on the mountain! I wonder if they do a tag team?

cottonwoolmouth · 06/05/2019 20:08

Oh Christ completely wrong thread. 🤦🏼‍♀️

TalkingintheDark · 06/05/2019 20:08

personal care, feelingverylazytoday, not care in general.

The vast majority of women and girls would not want a male nurse/HCP attending to any personal/intimate care they might need, however happy they were to have them looking after other aspects of their care.

Redshoeblueshoe · 06/05/2019 20:17

Feelingvery have you ever listened to Eamonn ? He is from a very conservative Catholic family, I'm sure he wouldn't approve

TalkingintheDark · 06/05/2019 20:24

Eammon’s face when Sonia brought up the cotton ceiling/the lesbophobia of Stonewall etc was an absolute picture.

“How can I make all these uncomfortable facts go away so I can just be a nice simple virtue-signaller again?”

HandsOffMyRights · 06/05/2019 20:35

Haddock's head is spinning Exorcist style. He's written a letter of complaint: 'Dear ITV those wicked wimmen are Sandwitches!'

twitter.com/DexyStarz/status/1125446234553106434?s=20

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CharlieParley · 06/05/2019 20:36

feelingverylazytoday Not only would I have a problem receiving intimate care from male nurses, my mother runs a business providing personal care services, day care for elderly people and ran retirement homes for decades.

Not a single female customer, running into the thousands in all that time ever accepted care from a male carer. It continues to be one of the first things female clients and their families ask before deciding whether to chose my mum's service. She used to employ male nurses, carers and staff because she wanted to give male customers the chance to receive intimate care from a person of the same sex but for a number of reasons she no longer employs male carers.

A big part of the reason is that she has found that while male customers will accept a female carer for intimate care, female customers will not accept male carers for that part of their care, severely limiting staffing flexibility.

However, while many female customers will make an almighty fuss when confronted with a male carer, not all do. My mother has learned though that almost all of the females who remain quiet do so not because they are okay with a male carer but because for whatever reason they feel they cannot object. When asked in a way and in an atmosphere that assures these female customers that their views are important, they too will object to male carers.

What you'll find extremely frequently is that health care professionals make a lot of assumptions about what patients are okay with without ever asking females in a way that allows them to freely express their preferences without fear of repercussions or offending someone.

From hospitals to prisons to refuges, no one who is making these sweeping statements that women are okay with males in their spaces or providing intimate care has actually bothered to ask the women affected.

They often presume that the absence of complaints signifies the absence of objection.

In reality, these are situations where we feel we are at the mercy of others and the default reaction thanks to our female socialization is to not make a fuss, to not put our needs first, to not want to upset people, to not make extra work for others. None of that means we are okay.

I'm sure there are a few women who do not object because they genuinely are okay with males providing intimate care. But they are rare, so rare in fact that my mother hasn't come across any. And she made a point of personally getting to know every customer and their family (it's part of her working philosophy in providing care that meets the definition of that word).

HandsOffMyRights · 06/05/2019 20:36

Here's his letter. Picked up a dictionary and pulled out a few long words, bless.

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AnyFucker · 06/05/2019 20:38

He is a pompous twerp, for sure

LizzieSiddal · 06/05/2019 20:40

That letter 😂

HandsOffMyRights · 06/05/2019 20:40

I thought eamon had previously said that lesbians should be down with dick?

While presiding over the interview with Manroe and Posie, Eamonn said there are no issues with a male airport security guard/or copper who thinks he's a laydee, performing intimate searches on women.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 06/05/2019 20:42

Brilliant.

"It's not rape culture it's just a bit of esoteric nuance."

What a fucking half wit.

youllhavehadyourtea · 06/05/2019 20:42

bamboozle the unprepared moderators - you'd almost think he spends too much time online.

Step away from the screen wee man!

SarahTancredi · 06/05/2019 20:44

Thought drs and nurses didnt even have time to pee these days?

TalkingintheDark · 06/05/2019 20:45

When asked in a way and in an atmosphere that assures these female customers that their views are important, they too will object to male carers.

Yes. Yes indeedy. Such a crucial point.

AlwaysComingHome · 06/05/2019 20:45

Here's his letter. Picked up a dictionary and pulled out a few long words, bless.

Esotericism?

He’s basically admitting it’s a cult.

AlwaysComingHome · 06/05/2019 20:47

A lot of women don’t have a problem with male health care providers, so long as they aren’t passing themselves off as women.

It’s not always about the sex of the provider, more about their motivation. Nobody wants to be the prop in an autogynophile’s fantasy.

TalkingintheDark · 06/05/2019 20:51

Surely Adrian’s not actually pitching a shit fit about the fact a woman was allowed to speak on national TV without being controlled by men like him? Surely he’s not apoplectic with rage that she’s getting the information out there that he and his ilk have tried so hard to keep under the radar - because they know full well it’s not going to go down well once the public at large realise what’s actually going on? Surely not?

Our Ade. What a knob.

(We don’t actually have to be civil about outright woman hating shits, do we?)

HerFemaleness · 06/05/2019 20:57

He’s basically admitting it’s a cult.

I was about to comment on this. It is an interesting choice of words. Esoteric knowledge is knowledge that can only be understand to a tiny number of the initiated.

We've gone from ''it's a conspiracy, man'', to ''you need sooper seekret speshul knowledge to understand''. It's embarassing to watch them flail around like this in their desperation to find an excuse that will successfully explain away the vile rapeyness of the cotton ceiling.

TinselAngel · 06/05/2019 20:59

How far into the programme is the relevant part?

JessicaWakefieldSV · 06/05/2019 21:00

And it all started with a sandwich....

Bluestitch · 06/05/2019 21:02

That letter is hilarious.

IrishGal21 · 06/05/2019 21:06

@truth is

maybe someone should take out a billboard with a new definition

"Transphobic - adjective

being ethical, respectign boundaries, concerned about individual rights and children's safeguarding and prepared to identify predators when you see them."

:) Someone start a crowdfunder page to get us going lol oh wait it will get deleted
How much , hypothetically....would a big billboard be I wonder???

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