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Sonia Poulton This Morning

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Slumcat · 06/05/2019 11:21

Did anyone see it?
She was there to discuss the LGBT sandwich in M&S, however she began speaking about the erasure of lesbians at pride and ended by shouting out to viewers to google the cotton ceiling.
Worth a watch
Well done Sonia

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GCAcademic · 06/05/2019 14:37

LOJ seems to get the rage whenever a woman has an opinion. He’s basically journalism’s equivalent to Dr Haddock.

terryleather · 06/05/2019 14:39

I think M&S should now show solidarity with and inclusion of the kink community by introducing BDSM (trussed up like a) Chicken Wraps...

Bluestitch · 06/05/2019 14:41

Some TRAs seem quite put out that she told viewers to google the Cotton Ceiling. Almost as if they know it's revolting and rapey.

Cottonwoolmouth · 06/05/2019 14:41

Just watched it again. Eamon and Rochelle look like two idiots ...

Sexnotgender · 06/05/2019 14:45

I think the sandwich sounds delicious, hold the tomato though. It’s just wrong on a sandwich and doesn’t belong with the other ingredients.

SarahTancredi · 06/05/2019 14:46

Good job Sonia!!!

CharlieParley · 06/05/2019 14:46

Fucking brilliant. Bloody difficult to bring something like this up in the minute or two that Sonia had to talk about the LGBT organisations' by now rampant lesbophobia where it comes to the L vs the T.

My top 5 results when I google Cotton Ceiling on my mobile:

One of those terrible essays by Cursed E (an AGP claiming to be in a lesbian relationship). Read some of these. Usually disingenuous, superficial, drenched in contempt for actual women and smugly presented by an author with high opinions of the author's intellect and learning.

Miranda Yardley's post from 2014 pointing out the hypocrisy in targeting lesbians for not accepting males who identify as trans as sexual partners when straight men don't either or at best do have sex with males who identify as trans and who pass to the eyes of a male as a woman but who treat them as their "dirty little secret".

The Cotton ceiling and autogynephila from TERF is a slur presenting evidence of lesbians being to to do dick or else and

The Cotton Ceiling? Really? by Femonade, an excellent article with an unbelievable email exchange between a male lesbian and an actual lesbian that introduces the reader to the concept of the female penis. Presents a few Venn diagrams exploring the simple truth that the circle containing male lesbians will never ever intersect with the circle of the people who have to use birth control so as not to fall pregnant and why (because they are men and men qua males don't get pregnant of course).

And last but not least, a Fair Play for Women article on the issue.

Even if you just read the first one, that AGP is so deep down the rabbit hole that the unsuspecting reader will just keep going WTF WTF WTF WTF WTAF am I reading?!?

I know I did and I found all of those articles very early. It's what helped pushed me over the edge from outrage into activism.

I can't find the original post anymore, which didn't just introduce me to the concept but also laid out in detail how many lesbian spaces, groups, provisions had already disappeared (by 2012 or 2013). It also explained how this colonisation of the L by the T started and when the takeover became apparent as such to those in the lesbian community.

But here is a quote I found elsewhere that for me encapsulates why the concept of overcoming the cotton ceiling is so repugnant and reeks so very much of male entitlement and aggression that firmly embeds any such endeavour in rape culture:

You don’t try to break down barriers, when those barriers are personal sexual boundaries. You do not try. You do not attempt. You accept without a single fucking utterance.

50shadesofgreyrock · 06/05/2019 14:47

LOJ got me banned from twitter, so I can’t watch him froth any more. Weasel. Every time I try to formulate something to say about this stupid sandwich, I just can’t. I turn into a goldfish, just opening and closing my mouth, and my brain an arid desert with occasional tumbleweed.
I really like bacon and avocado as well. So now I’m politically sandwichless.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/05/2019 14:52

Sonia’s getting love on Twitter from feminists & LOJ and his friends are stropping. So all good.

TalkingintheDark · 06/05/2019 16:29

Awesome thread.

Sonia was just bloody brilliant, WELL DONE that woman 👏👏👏

CharlieParley, that’s a brilliant quote about sexual boundaries.

And 50shades - politically sandwichless - also brilliant! Grin

Just so many brilliant women being brilliant. I might have to go and have a bit of a lie down.

TemporaryPermanent · 06/05/2019 17:54

Definitely want to see more woke sandwiches Grin

Datun · 06/05/2019 18:31

It's really interesting how the cotton ceiling is getting denied, left, right and centre. They absolutely realise it's a fucking killer.

Toooo late. Receipts are in the gazillions.

Plus you're still fucking doing it.

Sexnotgender · 06/05/2019 18:33

It's really interesting how the cotton ceiling is getting denied, left, right and centre. They absolutely realise it's a fucking killer.

This.

They try and deny biological reality so denying all the shit they pull isn’t exactly a surprise.

MenuPlant · 06/05/2019 18:38

Thing is the name of it says all you need to know.

It's about breaking through the barrier of women's underwear.

It's a very complete picture.

And of course it's a thing, going all the way back to the workshop years ago.

Bluestitch · 06/05/2019 18:41

I like seeing the knots they tie themselves into. They know endorsing the cotton ceiling is rapey. But they also know that condemning it and supporting the right to same SEX relationships gets you labelled transphobic by the cult.

So what usually follows is some nonsense about how 'nobody should be forced to have sex with anybody they don't want...but... excluding partners simply because they are trans...but... policing genitals...but... you're all straight women anyway' blah blah.

Imagine being too cowardly to uphold the most fundamental of women's rights and boundaries.

Bluestitch · 06/05/2019 18:45

Oh and seeing males with penises telling straight women to 'stay in their lane' whilst they are literally claiming to be women is beyond parody.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 06/05/2019 18:51

Well done Sonia she was brilliant. And I’m looking forward to the documentary she says she is making as well. I’m getting older now and frankly don’t give a monkeys about being called transphobic or bigoted - in fact I take it as a complement. I hope that younger lesbian women might be able to stop caring too - your sexual preferences are no-one else’s business and if men who say they are women don’t like that, then tough it’s their problem.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 06/05/2019 19:02

Frankly being called transphobic is an indication that you are ethical, respect boundaries, are concerned about individual rights and children's safeguarding and are prepared to identify predators when you see them.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 06/05/2019 19:03

And yes - that was a brilliant interview. Flowers for Sonia.

lydiamajora · 06/05/2019 19:15

Melissa: Yeh but how do you represent that message with a sandwich though?

Errol: Label a sandwich as vegetarian but actually it contains a whole porky sausage?

PFFFHAHAHAHAHA

lydiamajora · 06/05/2019 19:17

(I know this is a serious topic, but I so rarely actually laugh out loud at a comment on the internet)

KatvonHostileExtremist · 06/05/2019 19:31

That was well played indeed.

I typed cotton into Google and cotton ceiling showed up first!

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DpWm · 06/05/2019 19:36

Oooh interesting!

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Justhadathought · 06/05/2019 19:40

LOJ seems to get the rage whenever a woman has an opinion. He’s basically journalism’s equivalent to Dr Haddock

I think it is maybe more the case that he is firmly wedded to whatever comes out of his mouth, even when it proves to be rubbish. He can't back down, or be seen to back down, and so he goes on digging himself a hole. If he keeps on digging - he'll end up coming out of his own backside.

cottonwoolmouth · 06/05/2019 19:44

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Regarding googling cotton