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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Eddy Izzard says women should be forced to share bathrooms with men

461 replies

Hithere12 · 05/05/2019 11:58

m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFs7RfJZEIM

I can’t believe what I’ve just watched. Eddie Izzard is on Joe Rogan saying ALL bathrooms should be gender neutral and completely dismissed the concerns women have that Joe brought up. He dismissed it as “people always complain when there’s change”

The whole thing is so selfish and entitled.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 06/05/2019 20:26

While eating bananas.

SarahTancredi · 06/05/2019 20:30

And suddenly losing the ability to do up or undo our own bras...

AdaColeman · 06/05/2019 20:36

They have a fantasy about what we all do in the bogs.

The journalist doing a diary of their transition at present, longs to gossip about handbags in the queue, hoping we will say how lovely theirs is! Hmm
They don't realise that we will be giving each other the side eyes and mouthing "fake". And it won't only be their handbag we are talking about.

Lamaha · 06/05/2019 20:53

Also asking each other for tampons and pads and helping each other to insert tampons.

Whisky2014 · 06/05/2019 20:56

Uft, friend replied with this...

m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pTPuoGjQsI&feature=youtu.be

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/05/2019 21:07

I could have done without that, Whisky2014. Bizarro bollocks. What a fruitloop.

Whisky2014 · 06/05/2019 21:09

I know! This is his research :s

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/05/2019 21:27

I wonder if your mate would consider that YouTuber as a sexual partner or if, like other men he considers TWAW "except for relationship purposes" in the memorable words of one wokebloke.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/05/2019 21:28

Perhaps you could ask him. Tell him enquiring minds would like to know.

CharlieParley · 07/05/2019 01:46

Well, that Youtuber is quite amusing and cleverer than most TRAs. Also loved the turn of phrase employed when explaining why so many males who identify as trans are presenting hyperfeminine. Very useful in understanding that aspect.

However, most of their talking points are misdirecting viewers by not addressing the concerns supposedly being addressed or minimising them by acknowledging that the concerns are valid but we ought not to get worked up about it because either this Youtuber is a good trans who would never say/believe these things or they're just fads that'll blow over.

Never addresses the real concerns:

  • male violence and the oppression of women qua females resulting in structural inequalities that many provisions are designed to redress that are now under threat.

half-addresses others:

  • abolishing gender is such a huge ask there's no reason not to externalise/internalise opposite-sex stereotypes until that is achieved,
  • pretends that womanhood is based on a common experience that all women have (which doesn't exist therefore womanhood can be had by all) while ignoring the fact that what women qua females have in common is that only females can ever have certain experiences such as menstruation, falling pregnant, childbirth, various instances of oppression on the basis of our sex (FGM, child marriage, enforced pregnancy, demotion after baby break, worse health outcomes because the male body is taken as standard and so on) and therefore the only other people to ever experience these things are fellow females.

Around 99% of us menstruate for instance, 80% become mothers, 70% are sexually harassed - the group of women with whom we share many experiences really is huge and so many of us are experiencing similar things that womanhood is indeed a collective experience shaped by being female and all that comes with it but is not dependent on 100% of us sharing the exact same experience.

  • posits that all that underlies concerns is disgust for trans people because of a Germaine Greer quote and a few choice quotes taken from a reddit rant about AGPs
  • equates trans struggle with gay rights movement (which did not seek to remove rights from another oppressed group)
  • reduces female oppression to wolfwhistling and being talked over by men and such like to claim that males who identify as trans experience the same misogyny.
  • claims that feminists only ever target males who identify as trans for presenting hyperfeminine but have nothing to say about the Kardashians. Obviously has never actually frequented any feminist space then.
  • misunderstands socialisation completely to claim that males who transition in adulthood are thereafter experiencing female socialisation even if they've been socialised male beforehand (except Caitlyn Jenner. I am starting to think they all seem to despise CJ for being so stereotypically AGP).
  • thinks not being misgendered offline means males who identify as trans pass. Forgets that most people but especially women will not make any remarks even when we do clock a male - I mean why should we do that in a petrol station for instance?!

And that while clocking a male is a survival skill for females, no matter how they present, the same isn't true for males which is why males are not as good at clocking someone presenting hyperfeminine as male when they've made a serious effort to pass.

Finally, I cannot work out whether this person is disingenuous or really doesn't understand enough feminist theory and the reality of female oppression to think this video actually counters TERF concerns but is very very free with not only using the term but also defending its use as a slur as justified by likening gender critical people to racists.

It takes real effort to analyse this video though because it is superficially plausible and the misdirection works well, especially if you're not actually familiar with feminist thought.

The most important takeaway is that this Youtuber doesn't address and would not agree that it isn't the mere existence of males who identify as trans that we consider a threat to us, it's the ongoing campaign to abolish women's sex-based rights by allowing males to claim membership of our sex group and denying sex - one of the three most important axes of structural oppression alongside race and class - as the basis of female oppression by males.

plattercake · 07/05/2019 02:46

Izzard is a nasty piece of work isn't he. I can't say more than that. He is an appalling human and such a clichéd man.

Lamaha · 07/05/2019 04:39

I couldn't watch that video the first time it was posted and I couldn't watch it now. It's like chalk on a blackboard for me. If the arguments were transcribed and presented in a serious, non-gimmicky way I'd read.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 07/05/2019 05:40

Surely that YouTuber doesn't think they;pass? There's a definite pantomime bad fairy vibe going on.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 07/05/2019 06:11

I quite like Contrapoints. I don't agree with them, but they have a lightness and humour which is almost always missing from other TRAs.

ScottishDoll · 07/05/2019 10:47

I liked the Greer quote. Humans cannot change sex. I am fed up of being manhandled through someone else's fantasy life.

Ereshkigal · 07/05/2019 13:14

I have a list of men whom I shall never forgive for their betrayal of women.

Izzard is near to the top of it.

There isn't a side of fuck far enough for him to fuck off to, so far as I am concerned.

THIS

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 07/05/2019 14:05

I’ve just listened to this. Izzard’s views are repellent. he clearly could not give a shit about how women feel

VickyEadie · 07/05/2019 18:18

clocking a male is a survival skill for females

I was thinking about this earlier. Recently, my partner and I were in a cafe which was quite crowded. I need to add here that I have been diagnosed with poor visual perceptual skills and poor visual memory.

I was suddenly aware, almost but not quite out of peripheral vision, that one of the couple sitting about 20 feet away was a transwoman. I liken the realisation to a meerkat spotting a predator, it was such a flash of insight, seemingly for no apparent reason.

That we might say nothing clearly leads transwomen to assume they pass and we don't clock them. But even I clock them and I clock very little indeed.

I've said it before - I have on occasions failed to recognise members of my own family.

NottonightJosepheen · 07/05/2019 18:35

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Quietlife333 · 07/05/2019 18:55

Eddie is a nobhead. How nice of Eddie (seeing as none of this affects him in anyway,) to tell all us ladies what we should be forced to do. Cheeky fucker. I wouldn’t use any pub/shop/gym/office/mixed sex anything. I would refuse to buy anything in those places too. I won’t be watching Eddie either anymore. Nob.

RuffleCrow · 07/05/2019 18:59

Eddie you've lost another fan here. I used to quote your lines ad nauseum. I used to laugh at your jokes til my sides physically hurt.

Now look at you. You're a washed up, misogynistic disgrace. I hope lots of people tweet this thread at you.

RomanyQueen1 · 07/05/2019 19:02

He's just a has been jumping on the bandwagon. I'm pretty sure nobody gives his opinion much headspace.
he was funny in his day though.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/05/2019 19:20

I saw him marching down the street a few months ago - he caught my eye because he had that 'LOOKIT ME' springy walk and a rather square head. Feminine rather than 'women' clothes. Obvious makeup and male jawline.

I just saw a video of him on my twitter feed - way too much 'doing woman'. I find him very irritating now.

Quietlife333 · 07/05/2019 19:34

Fekko-
-way too much ‘doing woman’
Exactly! Without having the pitfalls of BEING Woman. Grrrr he is going to annoy me forever now.

LangCleg · 07/05/2019 19:42

clocking a male is a survival skill for females

As is the pacifying, de-escalating smile, which males interpret as either she didn't clock me or she was quite happy with my presence when actually the truth is quite the opposite.