Eddy Izzard says women should be forced to share bathrooms with men

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m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFs7RfJZEIM

I can’t believe what I’ve just watched. Eddie Izzard is on Joe Rogan saying ALL bathrooms should be gender neutral and completely dismissed the concerns women have that Joe brought up. He dismissed it as “people always complain when there’s change”

The whole thing is so selfish and entitled.

DH is on a planning team in his company for their move to a new office which is being built. One of the first thing to architects told this team was that there would be no unisex toilets aside form accessible ones ‘because we know everyone hates them’.

I’m really not sure where this idea that everyone things they’re great comes from. I hate them. My mum hates them. DD hates them. DH hates them.

I need to get on with my day - one point I will make, is that it would be beneficial to the cause if more of the great brains here went elsewhere to discuss this with others in less enlightened corners of the Internet. The more people who do this, the more likely we are to reach the critical mass of women speaking up and expressing their opinions to be able to stop this. Every new school/uni/library that opens sees more unisex toilets. It is taking over. They can't ban all women.

it would be beneficial to the cause if more of the great brains here went elsewhere to discuss this with others in less enlightened corners of the Internet.

Off you go, then. See how you get on and report back.

Personally I can't see the point in arguing with idiots on the internet. It would be better to write to MPs, challenge companies and organisations on their interpretation of the equality act, challenge schools on their policies which are having harmful effects on girls...

So why are TRAs still winning on this?

Because it's an elite project being imposed from the top down and ordinary people have been forbidden a say, backed up by politicians, aggressive lobby groups, corporations and social media giants.

I am so tired of I'm GC but ... disingenuity.

The cognitive dissonance between the perception of trans people as the most disadvantaged and marginalised group in society and the power they appear to have at their command is, I find, quite paralysing. It makes my brain stutter......

"I am so tired of I'm GC but ... disingenuity."

Is that directed at me?

"Personally I can't see the point in arguing with idiots on the internet. It would be better to write to MPs, challenge companies and organisations on their interpretation of the equality act, challenge schools on their policies which are having harmful effects on girls..."

The point is, the more people who are seen to speak up the more people who are empowered to do so themselves the more people who will write to their mps, and challenge companies. If we don't discuss it or speak up, it remains socially unacceptable and it's easy to be dismissed as a vocal minority or extremists.

Because it's an elite project being imposed from the top down and ordinary people have been forbidden a say, backed up by politicians, aggressive lobby groups, corporations and social media giants.

There are some big, wealthy players in this. We're have some very powerful people fighting against us.

Jennifer Pritzker (billionaire transwoman) and George Soros, to name a couple.

Jennifer Pritzker gave $2 million to the University of British Columbia to establish a chair for transgender studies. This builds on another grant of $1.35 million to the University of California’s Palm Center to study how transgender people fare in the military.

www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2016/8/23/so-many-pritzkers-so-much-philanthropy-meet-this-top-family.html

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/11/george-soros-the-money-behind-the-transgender-move/

...If that's what he means, what's the basis for objecting? (Granted the train toilet is a paddling pool of piss)

You have answered your own question there, Bud.

would be beneficial to the cause if more of the great brains here went elsewhere to discuss this with others in less enlightened corners of the Internet.

Actually wow. You missed the part where this was the last bastion on the internet for ages where women could talk even in restricted terms about any of this? Where any woman who mentioned it elsewhere online was censored and banned for bigotry? Where women have been threatened with actual violence and destroyed lives for raising this?

Give me strength.

If we don't discuss it or speak up, it remains socially unacceptable and it's easy to be dismissed as a vocal minority or extremists.

My speaking up consists of posting on MN and the other things I said in my post. Other people might feel happier about using twitter, but I'm not going to do that - MN already takes up too much of my time. But we don't all have to do everything, some people prefer to interact with politicians and organisations and some prefer to have a wider social media presence.

We need to tackle all fronts between us, but every individual doesn't have to do all those things.

Just to add - I occasionally look at twitter, and see the same arguments as on here, so there is a presence of GC views on other platforms.

Where women have been threatened with actual violence and destroyed lives for raising this?

And where women are losing their jobs for speaking out.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3577607-maya-forstater

"Again, there have been enough abuse victims and people of faith prepared to share with men who have come forward in other online spaces" @Peaches

As someone said, online spaces don't count. Anybody could be anybody. How many actual people of these faiths do you know and have talked to? I happen to know possibly hundreds of Muslims and Hindus and I can assure you they would be horrified at having to undress in front of strange men or share intimate spaces. I have a close relative who is a Muslim and lots of very close Hindu friends. I don't even have to ask them what they think of this. Knowing them is enough.
And yet men expect them to say OK, or just go elsewhere. THIS is discrimination.

Peaches, most commercial sites where these issues are discussed will delete/ban you for saying human beings can't change sex. I know from experience. This censorship gives proponents of trans ideology a totally distorted view of how many agree with them.

Mumsnet doesn't work that way. Any opinion can be expressed as long as you post within Talk Guidelines. TRAs tip up all the time. They are totally unprepared to defend their claims or justify their demands because up until now they've never had to. They're used to the banhammer eradicating any opposition. They expect it. They depend on it.

Upon challenge their arguments reveal the absence of intellectual rigour in their ideology. That's if they stay long enough to actually argue. Nearly all of them spontaneously combust, breaking Talk Guidelines, leading to a ban.

This is one of the only openly gender critical women's forum in the Anglophone world. And here are some figures obtained from MNHQ last August:

Number of people entering the MN site via the Feminist Chat topic:

June 2016: 15,000
June 2018: 177,000

That's a TWELVE-FOLD increase.

And that's just people entering the MN site directly into femchat. Lots of people enter Mumsnet via other routes like active talk, and then navigate to the feminism boards next.

Overall site visits in June 2018 compared to June 2016 showed an increase from 17M to 26M, which is a very healthy increase of 53%. But the impressive twelvefold increase in visitors going directly to feminism shows a significant change in behaviour.

The cognitive dissonance between the perception of trans people as the most disadvantaged and marginalised group in society and the power they appear to have at their command is, I find, quite paralysing.

That's queer theory for you. A libertarian ideology enabling the bourgeois and others with structural social power to be "edgy" and "subversive" while maintaining the boot on the neck of the actually oppressed or anyone lacking in structural social power. Quite how it has become associated with the left entirely escapes me.

Most females in politics and visible online, as you know, are saying "yes"

I wanted to make a point about the ‘what everyone else is saying’ thing that peaches keeps raising. On platforms that are incredibly sexist and have terms & conditions based on ideology, such as twitter and facebook, you can’t actually honestly say you don’t want transwomen or men in women’s spaces, you’ll get suspended or eventually banned. You also can’t say it publicly as a politician without huge backlash as Joan McAlpine has discovered- although the real-life support via cards and messages gives a more accurate picture of what people outside of Twitter think. Somewhere where you can still be honest, is YouTube. I’ve found a very very different conversation happening there and everything from Caster Semenya to public bathrooms looks very different there to spaces like Twitter. People are absolutely thinking the same thing this feminism board does on these issues. Plenty of women and men all saying that you can’t change sex, that unisex bathrooms are ridiculous etc etc Surveys on these issues, as mentioned, also support what we are saying here. I don’t think relying on twitter or Facebook as a measure of what most people think, is wise or sensible at all. That’s not real life. It’s heavily moderated and heavily influenced by certain groups. That’s why I honestly think women should leave those platforms. We are giving them more power by engaging there and contributing to the illusion its representative of society. It isn’t.

Yes, I've noticed that about YouTube as well.

lookatallthepeaches If you wish to argue the case for separate sanitary facilities for women and men there is a wealth of information on the internet to support it. I have just pulled a few links at random, starting with the Unicef guide.

And because I am a total idiot I have just realised that the C.Greed who presented the paper at the Loughborough conference (see my earlier post) is the wonderful Clara Greed who gave a talk at the Women's Place meeting in Bath, November 2018.

Whilst I have sympathy for transwomen who have genuine fears about using male public toilets I really don't think it's incumbent upon women to surrender their hard won rights to safe and decent toilet provisions.

www.wateraid.org/us/media/female-friendly-toilet-guide-wateraid-unicef

www.researchgate.net/publication/327472639_Making_the_Case_for_a_Female-Friendly_Toilet

womansplaceuk.org/gender-neutral-toilets-dont-work-for-women-2/

www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/women-need-toilets-more-than-men-do-why-are-there-never-enough-1.3112341

www.museumoflondon.org.uk/discover/womens-right-work-toilet-bathroom-victorian-london-wwi-factory-protest

Thank you

Also below the line comments on all MSM articles which allow them.

No-one wants to abolish sex segregation in toilets and changing rooms.

The only real question you have to answer is what possible benefit is it to do so?

Quite. Izzard is very clear on what's in it for him.

He's clear women will complain - that there's nothing in it for them - his opinion is that they must learn to get over it.

And there, summarised, is the deep misogyny and belief that women are some kind of subspecies who are there for the servicing of men that underpins every single aspect of the TRA movement.

over the last few months I have come across more and more mixed toilets, at university, at a crematorium and also at work. Out of all of these toilets there is one common factor, piss on the seat/floor you name it, wherever you look there is piss, to the point where even hovering you would get urine on your clothing. It seems unlikely that a woman would have done this. So, either it's men who either don't care about what they do, or think ha, a women will be in here and can't sit down.

Most females in politics and visible online, as you know, are saying "yes", and as such, feel free to not consent, but all that will mean in self excluding.

Many female politicians etc are to afraid to say anything against it because they stand the very real danger of getting a visit from the thought police and losing their jobs.

‘Feel free not to consent’. Well that doesn’t really work does it. I can not consent to unisex toilets but if all the available toilets are unisex then I don’t have a choice.