MtF sets 4 new world records in women's power lifting

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www.cornwalllive.com/news/local-news/sharron-davies-dismay-trans-powerlifter-2809964

Absolute disgrace. Absolute fucking disgrace.

FloralBunting yuck! 🤣

The problem is that future female atheletes will not be able to beat these records set by male bodied people. It will be incredibly discouraging for young women and girls going into sport.
What's the point if despite being the top female you will never be able to win?

The whole thing is just so depressing.

Eww. Someone got MRA all over FWR. I think these will be useful.

I'm not a MRA.

What sort of narcissist would you have to be to do something like this? How could you be proud of such an "achievement"? I'd be ashamed.

I'm not a MRA.

That's a matter of opinion.

Your username is entertaining.

"Countless arguments? I doubt it.
I train and this is nonsense unless they're comparing themselves to men who don't train, or train very infrequently. But why would you do that?"

I totally agree with this. I think the only women who would genuinely say that are ones who have never competed at sport, who don't see the point of it.
I think "Flushable" may be a trojan/agitator/TRA.

"What sort of narcissist would you have to be to do something like this? How could you be proud of such an "achievement"? I'd be ashamed."

Thankfully not all guys are like that. This young man is an absolute star, courage in his convictions.

The whole thing is just so depressing.

You mean the people born with penises gleefully embracing the chance to tell women to get to the back of the bus, while it's the virtuous thing to do. Temporarily. In this time of total madness. Until it goes too far, the general public realises what's been pulled on them and a bloody great backlash starts.

Since I'm lesbian and LGB rights are going to be thoroughly knocked by association (thank you so much Stonewall for that) when this comes, I'm not imagining that part to be any less depressing.

Unflushable, I think what you're thinking of is individuals as opposed to record holders/champions. So for example a woman shouldn't be ruled out of a job as a builder just because she's female because that individual woman may be taller and stronger than the individual male candidate. For a record or a championship winner though you are talking about the extremes of the distribution, I don't think anyone has ever argued that the strongest women are as strong as the strongest men. And lifting is one of the sports where women have particularly big disadvantage. If the women were as strong as the men, obviously, this "record" lift would be on a par with the male record - betcha it's not.

I know almost nothing about upper body strength, weight lifting, and the differences between the sexes, so it's not my place to decide whether this person should have this record, or not have it. That's for weight lifters to decide.

Then why are you holding forth on something you self-admittedly know nothing about?

If it’s fair, then maybe transMEN and transWOMEN should compete against EACH OTHER.

But then, no. The transmen probably won’t kick up as much fuss as the transwomen. Wonder why .

There should be a third (and fourth) category. Men, women and trans (maybe this should be in two).

I dispair. It'll turn people who are normally suppportive against.

As soon as you start calling people MRA activists you lose some strength in your arguments. Same as handmaiden.

I always feel conflicted about female firefighters. Equality matters, but I know I’d rather be rescued my a male firefighter than a female one because they are genetically (on average) bigger and stronger.

I hope the older althletes get their voices heard.

As soon as you start calling people MRA activists you lose some strength in your arguments. Same as handmaiden.

I disagree. Naming is a powerful action and often cuts through the nonsense. In this sports debate, it's not the rights of females identifying as trans who are the issue. They can compete, no one cares because even doped up on testosterone, they are not competitive against men. The best example worldwide trotted out regularly managed to win a couple of races competing against males but never got anywhere with it.

The reverse is not true. Now that the first cohort of males who identify as trans are breaking world records and taking gold medals, it is becoming increasingly clear that females will be adversely affected when their sports are opened up to males.

You have therefore a juxtaposition of our right to fairness in sport vs the males' need for validation by competing in the sex class they wish to emulate. Women's right vs men's privilege. If you advocate for the latter and against the former, you're a men's rights activist. Doesn't matter that you're only advocating for a limited set of men.

I find the word MRA fitting under the circumstances.

I would say uneducated is a better label than MRA in subjects like this (people have been warning for years, but only now are people starting to take notice).

Education is needed, not name calling.

AFTER the education has taken place, and people still continue with those views, then MRA might be appropriate, but if you leap straight to risk alienating people. If you alienate them, they won’t listen to you. They’ll never become educated. You lose strength.

Naming is a powerful action and often cuts through the nonsense.

That's my view too, CharlieParley. Trans ideology is overwhelmingly a men's sexual rights movement. MRA and TRA share an anti-woman agenda. Once you've seen it you can't unsee it.

That's true. But it doesn’t mean the person in this thread is a MRA. By throwing out insults, rather than educating, you are more likely to turn them away from your viewpoint than to get them to listen.

Education is needed, not name calling.

How much education do you think people need?

If it's not blatantly obvious to someone that men competing against women is unfair and potentially dangerous they're going to be challenged vigorously.

Tbh, your post reads like yet another exhortation for women to be nice. It was being nice that allowed this utter bullshit to get a toehold in the first place.

They are tho. They started and had deleted a thread about prostitution. They are plopping over the entire board with their ridiculous claims and vehement goadery.

They're the very definition of an MRA.

They will get banned, at some point, I have no doubt.

Everytime we try to discuss this with people outside of mumsnet we get called 'fucking terfs' and are threatened, so don't come that shite about 'name calling' and 'education'

Anyone got the link to the compilation of vile threats and slurs people have had thrown at them for daring to discuss?

I don't know how much time you've spent on FWR, ThunderStorms. I've been here long enough to recognize MRA talking points from a mile away.

It’s not my job to educate people.

It’s not my job to educate people.

But....but... you’re a woman!

😁

Rose of Dawn gets it:

t.co/g72SKZ5j8J

I'm a competitive sportswoman. If I come up against a man, I will just throw in the towel.