Ama - transwoman

[Indigo9]

I've heard about Mumsnet for years in regards to views on transgender women. But until today I had never visited the site. I've spent hours reading posts related to transwomen and the gender ID bill. I do think there is a little bit of a disconnect with regards to who and what we are. So I've decided to setup this profile with a mind to answering questions you may have about being transgender. I'm not in to hate or insults, so you won't see me participate in any mud slinging, name calling or anything else. I will, however, answer any legitimate questions from my own perspective. I do not speak for the whole trans community and would not try to, but will happily share what I know.

Op I've got a question.

Was there a point that you felt you had finally transitioned? What point was it?

I absolutely couldn't care less about what the OP does with their life, in the nicest possible way to the OP. It doesn't affect me.

I don't know why any feminist would think that is a compelling reason for allowing mixed sex spaces and services to do away with single sex ones. The people who are most affected are other women who are more vulnerable.

charmingly kind and entirely fair attempt to understand the position of another human being

It was an AMA. It wasn't a "gather round and sympathise with my life story".

I assume from your repeated refusals you are unwilling/unable to provide even a sentence of the alleged bullying you claim is all over the thread, and nor do MN seem to agree. It's unfortunate you have chosen to post in bad faith, but you do you, and have a good day.

So how do you know the OP doesn't feel like a woman?

Because they aren't one.

You can't 'feel like' something you categorically are not!

For men with AGP it will be all about the stereotypes. Because it's sexual.

We generally think of sexual as being turned on and wanting sex, but it is also about feeling that buzz of feeling good about yourself - it gives you that oxytocin high that makes things more pleasurable and makes you want more.

Feeling like something comes from the experience of being that thing surely?

So how do you know the OP doesn't feel like a woman

Because being a woman isn't a feeling.

So you can't explain what being a woman feels like. And the OP can't explain it either. Neither can I. Neither can anyone. We don't have any way of getting into someone's head. So how do you know the OP doesn't feel like a woman?

Are you really unable to work this out? It's an undefinable concept, and yet you are surprised that people are questioning how it is possible to feel like an undefinable concept?

How do you know you can't feel like something you're not? You have literally no diagnostics available to you to make that claim. You only know what you feel like.

Are you really unable to work this out? It's an undefinable concept, and yet you are surprised that people are questioning how it is possible to feel like an undefinable concept?

It's staggering, really.

Other suddenly undefined concepts include

Man
Woman
Girl
Boy
Homosexual
Heterosexual
Lesbian

And yet sex and sexual orientation are protected characteristics in law.

Datun I know it was a turn of phrase, it's just that you seemed to be taking my post as a teachable moment for me about why transwomen do not = women. It was a bit of a non sequitur given that my post was about the tone of the debate, not the content.

How do you know you can't feel like something you're not?

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Yup. That is exactly the level of this nonsense.

This is like listening to a dog say they can't see colours. That's all very well, but other people say they can see colours. And since you can't borrow their eyes, you will literally just have to accept that colours exist. Do you really think someone would go to all this effort if they couldn't see colours?

How do you know you can't feel like something you're not?

What, like a chair?

How do you know you can't feel like something you're not? You have literally no diagnostics available to you to make that claim. You only know what you feel like.

You can feel like you want to be a woman. That is different to feeling like a woman. Womanhood is not 'a set of feelings that anyone, male or female, can feel'.

Just what I have come to expect.

'I feelz therefore I am'.

Except they are not.

We don't even need to keep having this conversation do we?
The details never change.

I will not be gaslit into denying a biological and social realism.

I will not allow my daughter to EVER be subjected to an ideology made of lies and regressive gender stereotypes.

My patience and kindness in allowing people like Indigo to indulge themselves and validate themselves is gone.

That person has human rights and LGB rights and they should go off and live happy lives and stop trying to invade womanhood.

How do you know you can't feel like something you're not?

First, the TRAs would roundly condemn you as a transphobe for that comment since it implies that their feelings don’t make them women.

Second, ‘woman’ is an objective concept, not a subjective one. Anything felt by an adult human with XX chromosomes is being felt by a woman.

Do you really think someone would go to all this effort if they couldn't see colours?

Er, yes.

Karen White

Well golly gosh, *Veronica Dinner
A talking dog

So you can't explain what being a woman feels like. And the OP can't explain it either. Neither can I. Neither can anyone.

Gahhhhh this is so frustrating!! No one can explain what being a woman feels like because there's no such thing as woman-feel . That's the entire point of our argument! It's just biology, there is nothing else, you either are a woman or you aren't!

bangs head on table repeatedly

Hi OP. Sorry if it’s alrady been asked.
How do you feel about Philip Bunce getting business woman of the year, or whatever it was. When to me they are not transgender or female but simply cross dressing/gender fluid as they dress and act like a man half the time?