Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children

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Looks like it's dropped!

Mine is the wokeist of workplaces so am determined to leave some copies of The Times around today but...I've been to 3 branches of 'Smith's and the local newsagent and they are all sold out!! Off for a tour of the nearby supermarkets now!

I bought the Times this morning

Cor £1.80

But well worth it for today’s content

Thanks Lucy

Surely the risks have always been made clear to parents of children suffering from precocious puberty and the side effects would be on the label, as with any other drug?

No, because they're being used for a different purpose.

Blockers when used for precocious puberty are used to delay puberty to the CORRECT time. Children still go through puberty at the usual time.

Blockers when used for transition, are used to PREVENT puberty at the right time.

What is the effect of that? No one knows.

If you bear in mind, puberty is not only about genitals but also the whole process of maturing to an adult, including the brain maturing from child to adult. No one knows what long term affects this might have. Very small studies suggest it may impair IQ.

In addition, if blockers are being used as part of an ongoing treatment plan as the first step, followed by hormones and possibly surgery - then the effects of the whole treatment plan should be looked at, to really get a picture of what the risks are, not only the drugs individually.

Two probable outcomes of this treatment plan - when started young enough - are life long sterility and lack of sexual function. We are creating adults who's genitals have never had a chance to mature into adult genitals, and don't have sexual urges. If MTF, they do have a surgically created hole, that men with functioning penises may have sex with.

This is horrific. What kind of person wants to have sex with someone who can't gain any pleasure from it?

Think I'm exaggerating?

See Jazz Jennings - poster child for transition. Now an 18 year old, who's quite open about never having had an orgasm.

I am so pissed off that some people are choosing to categorise The Times as right wing and transphobic so don’t listen to them. Gobsmacked that a ‘journalist’ ignores what a significant number of clinicians are saying. Even if you don’t agree with it surely you can see it’s an issue and should be explored. How are they so convinced they are right?

Plus let’s remember it was the Times that broke the grooming scandals in Rotherham with brave people speaking out. Don’t dismiss what they say as being right way - think critically and challenge the arguments if you think they are wrong.

Daily Mail also adding more fuel to the (hopefully) bonfire of TRAs

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6897005/DOMINIC-LAWSON-inconvenient-truth-unisex-loos-women-loathe-them.html

This thread discusses similar issues to what the Times are highlighting today. As you can see there, even the NHS’ own patient info about risks doesn’t highly the significant risks of blockers properly.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3525450-Tavistock-s-Experimentation-with-Puberty-Blockers-Scrutinizing-the-Evidence

NHS information still does not mention risk of blockers

www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/think-your-child-might-be-trans-or-non-binary/

My favourite part of this is the shrieking of "transphobia" together with "you MUST NOT look at these articles, they are THAT BAD", is being met with:

Which part of the article do you disagree with?

At which the shrieking falls silent.

Really pleased to see that the Times are not pulling any punches.

I really hope this is the beginning of the end for the whole house of cards.

I hope I’m not proved right that it will just be Susie and the Mermaids going under the bus while Stonewall absolve themselves of responsibility and continue to push the whole shit show

From The Times:

“Mermaids, Gires, Gendered Intelligence. . . they all act as if it were their service,” the clinician said. “They are able to call up executive members and influence them.” Another clinician said the GIDS received complaints that “you could tell were written by Mermaids because they are all the same”.

The Tavi review into the Bell report concludes that GIDS staff from now on should declare conflicts of interest over their links to trans lobby groups. This comes far too late and does not go far enough. Any staff with links to lobby groups should be sacked immediately. The Tavi should be proactively investigating this, rather than passively waiting for staff to admit to it. And of course some staff will neglect to disclose their links.

And this bit of the Tavi Action plan worries me.

"Given the significant difficulties voiced by many interviewees in feeling assured about an agreed set of skills needed for gender workers in this clinical setting, I recommend that the service works with others, such as the Department of Education and Training in
recommending a curriculum and training, which will provide required skills for gender workers and that this becomes mandatory for new clinicians joining the service".

GIDS Review Action plan

Click on Download the plan to see the full action plan.

So many staff have left and the Tavi wants to replace them with people who have been trained up on "gender work". I'm guessing that the Department of Education will outsource this work to the "experts" such as Gendered Intelligence or another lobby group.

And insisting that all staff accept a certain orthodoxy around "gender work" could be even more dangerous than what they have been doing to date.

One of the things I'm enjoying about this is waiting to see at what point Little OJ - along with his cohort of delirious handmaidens and sycophants - is going to see the way the wind is blowing and change his mind. There is nothing OJ cares about more than himself and his own career, so what is the likelihood that he will still be screaming "transphobe" and "bigot" when the transing of children is finally exposed as the biggest child abuse scandal since Savile? The reverse ferret, when it comes, is going to be a lot of fun to watch.

The reports make me so sad and angry. Though I am happy this is being looked into.

A couple of things stand out for me.

The GIDS’s own internal review identified procedures around consent as an area of concern. It has recommended that written consent should be obtained before referral for blockers.

If they think blockers are so safe and reversible why need written consent? They know the side effects, they've always known the side effects. If they didn't then how stupid are they? I don't know what's worse, not investigating the side effects of ignoring them and prescribing them anyway.

Secondly from the National Lottery review of the Mermaids grant application:

2.1 Mermaids, formed in 1995, claim to be the only UK wide charity providing information, advice support and shared experiences for transgender or non-gender conforming children, young people (up to the age of 19) and their families. Service users are supported via telephone helpline, email, parents’ and teens’ online forums,
residential weekends and local support groups. Its stated key aims are to; reduce isolation and loneliness, improve self-esteem and social functioning, reduce suicidality and self-harm in young people, and provide families with the tools to negotiate education and health services. Mermaids other stated aims are to;
 Empower families and young people with the tools they need to negotiate the education and health services.
 Reduce suicidality and self-harm in the young people who contact Mermaids and equip their parents to support their children to the same end.
 Improve self-esteem and social functioning in gender variant and transgender children and young people.
 Improve awareness, understanding and practices of GP’s, CAMHS, Social Services and other professionals.

It's there in black and white from Mermaids - they 'empower' their members by giving them the tools to negotiate what they want. The most insidious of all their stated aim to improve the practices of GP’s, CAMHS, Social Services and other professionals. Mermaids are massively involved in this scandal. I would advise the National Lottery to look again at their grant and and to see what they are funding - just friendly coffee mornings, or coffee mornings that push the Mermaids approved tactics of how to bully clinicians to get what you want.

I feel validated this morning that just over 3 years ago I declined the referral to the Tavistock for DD, but devastated for the parents and children swept along in the system.

Good comments under the main article.

Fantastic reporting. Thank you Lucy Bannerman and the Times.

And the BBC can go to hell. Their capture by this ideology has been one of the most horrifying things in this whole story. Orwell was so very prescient and I just didn’t see it until the BBC started its propaganda campaign on this. I will never ever trust them again.

That Dr. Webberly was tweeting about how the head of GID didn't even go to hear Joana Olsen from LA, trying to disparage them for not consulting with the proper pros.

I don’t know your story nonhypothetical but that was a good day’s parenting work you did back then. Agree that this is devastating for the children swept up in it. I imagine we will also see many distressed parents in the news in the next few days insisting that this is transphobia: . it must be, right, otherwise we have made a terrible mistake

Fantastic to see this. I subscribed to the Times on a three-month free trial which is due to expire later this month - I noted the date to remind me to cancel it. Not cancelling now!!

Happy though I am to see today's coverage, I think we've got a long way to go and I fear things may get worse before they get better. Let's not underestimate the pull - and the money - that the trans lobby has. The big pharmas are not going to take easily to questions being raised about children being put on a path towards surgery and lifelong hormone treatment.

I have the strongest sense that the 'general public' is with gc women on this - on everything from gender neutral loos to women's sport, to medicalising children - that there will be a surge of public opinion against this transideology that makes a mockery of biological sex and science.

Transactivism is like a bonfire of the science books - where they try to convince the gullible that biological sex is the social construct, and on a spectrum - and the important thing, the scientific thing, is gender identity.

I'm pretty sure it won't wash in the long run. Common sense always prevails in the end.

Our major problem in that so many TRA have infiltrated high places - our police, our civil service, our NHS, schools, the cps.

When you have an actual real policeman ringing up Harry the Owl and telling him "he went on a training course and learned transgender is when a female brain grows a male body" - you know we're in trouble. This isn't going to just go away. But I think the fightback against transactivism has just gone mainstream.

See Jazz Jennings - poster child for transition. Now an 18 year old, who's quite open about never having had an orgasm.

people.com/tv/jazz-jennings-talks-sexual-stuff-orgasm-libido-doctor-before-gender-confirmation-surgery/

“Dr. Bowers then took the conversation to a very personal level with Jazz and inquired about “the sexual stuff,” which Jeanette said “doesn’t get any easier to discuss it. I still feel uncomfortable.”

“The orgasm,” said Jazz. “The Big O.”

When Dr. Bowers asked, “Did it get anywhere?” Jazz admitted, “Well, there hasn’t been much change. My libido’s still basically nowhere.”

According to Dr. Bowers, people that “are able to orgasm pre-surgery, they’re very highly likely to be able to orgasm afterwards.”

“Jazz does not know what an orgasm is and it’s very important when expressing intimacy,” said Dr. Bowers. “And although it is not something that’s going to delay surgery, it’s not going to be any easier for her to have an orgasm after surgery.”

Barbaric.

The youngest was aged three.
Hopefully anyone reading this article today who is unaware of what's going on will read this and and say what? 3 years old?
I think more people knowing the age these children or toddlers are being told they are trans is what will really start to rock the boat.

One of the things I'm enjoying about this is waiting to see at what point Little OJ - along with his cohort of delirious handmaidens and sycophants - is going to see the way the wind is blowing and change his mind.

I predict something like this:

Some dick from the Guardian has just tweeted this:

"In the future, when trans rights are as accepted in the UK as LGB rights are today, this front page will be used as one of the prime examples of the British media’s hateful, coordinated attacks on the trans community."

Nah mate. In the future, we will look back and ask how this experimentation on children could ever have happened.

The Sanctimonious Morph has gone too far to ever manage a mea culpa, I think. He'll grey rock when it all goes tits up.

He'll grey rock when it all goes tits up

Maybe a sex change and new identity?