Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"

[Pimmsnlemonade]

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107787009614065664

And, as she says in the thread:

"Meanwhile a group of people have terrified and harassed my family. Doxed my children, made violent and sexual threats, signed me up to porn accounts, did the same to my husband, threatened to visit here. And tumbleweed..."

I'd just like to very much thank this poster for coming here to so explicitly lay out in their own words exactly who is supporting what in this issue.

They never fail, do they? It's extraordinary.

Anyhow, I've got infinitely better things to do with my time than sit here

Like ker-lockwork. Every time.

Telegraph interview with Miranda Yardley about allegations made by Helen Islan from Mermaids:

'First person prosecuted for transgender hate crime says it is a waste of police time'
(extract)
"The 51-year-old accountant, who still identifies as male, was prosecuted after Helen Islan, the mother of a transgender child, accused him of "outing" her son by posting a picture of him on Twitter.

Mr Yardley was interviewed at length by Essex Police in April 2018, before a file on the case was sent to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

Prosecutors concluded that the offending tweet constituted a transgender hate crime, and he was summonsed to appear before Basildon Magistrates' Court, charged with harassment under section 2 of the Prosecution from Harassment Act 1997.

But the case was thrown out by a District Judge, who declared that the prosecution had failed to provide any evidence that the tweet constituted harassment.

It was later established that the picture Mr Yardley had Tweeted had previously been published online by the complainant herself.

Mr Yardley told the Telegraph that the whole experience had been like a "Kafkaeque nightmare" and he warned that highly organised transgender lobbyists were using the police to shut down anyone who disagreed with them.

His comments come after it emerged that two women have been subjected to police investigations for Tweeting allegedly offensive comments to Susie Green, the CEO of the Transgender charity, Mermaids.

Yesterday Surrey Police confirmed that the investigation into catholic commentator, Caroline Farrow had been dropped after Ms Green withdrew the complaint.

But another investigation launched by Wiltshire Police into the feminist campaigner, Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, is understood to be still ongoing." (continues)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/21/first-person-prosecuted-transgender-hate-crime-says-waste-police/

15.
And kept artificially juvenile.
I think any child on puberty blockers should be treated with great caution and assumed to be of less mature understanding than their peers, not more.

That’s an important point Dodo There are situations where juveniles are able to demonstrate that they have capacity to consent to, or refuse medical interventions. Not the point in this case, as SG gave consent, but important to consider.

They never fail, do they? It's extraordinary.

Nope. Never. Quite happy to fly the colours.

You know the phrase hiding in plain sight? Remove the hiding and that's where we are.

Gaby Hinsliff has a piece in today's Guardian about LGBT lessons:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/22/parents-lgbt-primary-school-lessons

It includes this:

This isn’t just about one faith. Caroline Farrow, a Catholic journalist, this week expressed her shock at being interviewed by police over her tweets about the trans rights activist Susie Green, whose daughter is trans. As a Catholic, Farrow says she simply believes “that a person cannot change sex”. Yet this recourse to the religious high ground sits uncomfortably with the tone of messages in which Farrow accused Green of “child abuse” for having her child “mutilated” and “castrated” (Jackie Green underwent reassignment surgery, which is only available to adults in Britain, in Thailand aged 16.)

Farrow is as entitled to her private beliefs as anyone else I disagree with. We’ll probably never know what the police would have made of her expressing them publicly, given Green has now withdrawn her complaint, and readers may have their own views on whether this was the best use of police time.

But journalists have an obligation to use their platforms responsibly where potentially vulnerable young people are involved, and the words Farrow used seem at best hurtful and overly personal. Faith is not a free pass for causing distress, on or offline. If anything, it should lead towards compassion.

Duck off gruniard

Jackie Green underwent reassignment surgery, which is only available to adults in Britain, in Thailand aged 16.)

Hmm Gaby, why might that be? and yet you're so very sure it was wrong to say it was "child abuse"?

This isn't about Caroline's religion. You're so out of touch that along with Green you don't seem to realise that most people would think that.

journalists have an obligation to use their platforms responsibly where potentially vulnerable young people are involved, and the words Farrow used seem at best hurtful and overly personal. Faith is not a free pass for causing distress, on or offline. If anything, it should lead towards compassion.

Feel free to fuck all the way off with that. Compassion is not meekly acquiescing to a woman engaging doctors to illegally operate on her child. Journalists, people of faith, everyone has a duty of care to speak out and use their platforms responsibly to protect vulnerable young people from unnecessary surgery.

I'm sure I'll say it again, as I have before, but the Guardian is a fucking disgrace.

Ok Gaby, you think it's less bad to castrate children than to use nasty words to describe what has been done? Have to disagree with you on that one.

The Guardian - 'genital reassignment' 'which is only available to adults in Britain'.
Nice fudge. This surgery is ILLEGAL. That's right it is against the law.

Ok Gaby, you think it's less bad to castrate children than to use nasty words to describe what has been done

this

Jesus Gaby, take a look in the mirror woman

doesn't the endless handmaidening get a bit wearing after a while?

The person Caroline described as having been mutilated is now in their mid-twenties.

Not the vulnerable young person the emotive language is trying to present.

It's The Guardian. It's Gaby fucking Hinsliff. (remember the spot of victim blaming she wrote about Cologne NYE?).
Does anybody really expect anything different?

David Reimer was 38 when he died.
could SGs desperate attempts to sugarcoat what she did to her child indicate that all is not well with Jackie?
At the age of 27, is Jackie questioning what their life would be now if the operation never happened.
that they could have been an independent, intact gay man with a functioning sex life and potential to father children?
If (gods forbid) Jackie were to be very depressed and attempt self harm, wouldn't that destroy mermaids whole image?

I don't think it is right to speculate about Jackie.

I agree. Anyway, just about end of thread. It's been very interesting to follow. Maybe the police will learn something from this.

The Guardian is trying to smear Caroline for being religious because being religious is the anthesis of having a Liberal identity. They are framing the debate as religious conservatives v those with Liberal identity. This is the fracture of the culture war and one of the major battle lines. You are being asked to pick between religion and liberal identity.

This is bullshit. And the most beautiful illustration of this is the Quakers who have frequently led progressive ideas in society, and do so even now.

There is also this idea in there that if you are religious you should be 'nice' and not blunt cos if you are you are hypocritical and therefore really irreligious. And this is why religion is bad. And why those with liberal identity are more moralistic and nice in a way that religious people are not. Its, ironically, an opinion that comes from religious type thinking and the concept of the virtue of ideological purity. Its hilarious in its own pompousity.

The world is shades of grey and when people stop listening and use euphemisms for everything to hide wrong doing and questionable practices, you absolutely have no choice but to use blunt language to cut through.

It comes down to being annoyed that someone has dared to burst that bubble and challenge the virtuousness and niceness of ideas that are being championed by those with a Liberal identity because it exposes their own weaknesses and hypocrisy.

That Guardian article is quite the example of a total lack of self awareness and self denial and arrogance.

Honestly if we want to be genuinely progressive we have to stop this shit and understand each other rather than constantly using all our energy to demonise.

I'm tired of it. So tired.

The Guardian is trying to smear Caroline for being religious

Well they are, but if she were a certain other religion, she would not be smeared in The Guardian this way.

As an atheist, I simply believe in science and biological facts, that a person cannot change sex.

I’m not on Twitter, but perhaps this message can be spread by those who are. Tag the guardian

But journalists have an obligation to use their platforms responsibly where potentially vulnerable young people are involved,

Yes. They do. So it would be a bloody good idea if the Guardian and BBC started to do so. At the moment, they seem to be complicit in the harm being done to children at the moment by the promotion of genderism.

Compassion is a virtue, but it has to be balanced by wisdom.

yup

Susie Green arranged for unlicensed drugs to be administered to her son for a non life threatening condition, that in 80% of cases resolves itself naturally if you wait

Then she flew her 16 year old son to Thailand and paid to have his testicles removed. To treat the same condition

she paid for her son to be sterilised while he was a minor

these are horrible facts, but they are the facts