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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"

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Pimmsnlemonade · 19/03/2019 00:11

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107787009614065664

And, as she says in the thread:

"Meanwhile a group of people have terrified and harassed my family. Doxed my children, made violent and sexual threats, signed me up to porn accounts, did the same to my husband, threatened to visit here. And tumbleweed..."

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EweSurname · 21/03/2019 16:45

Joani Walsh
@joaniwalshi
Surrey Police are no longer pursuing allegations against Caroline Farrow as the original complaint was withdrawn. So yet again someone from Mermaids has been responsible for an enormous waste of police time and resources when there are young dead bodies on the streets. Yet again.

RedDogsBeg · 21/03/2019 16:55

Hopefully Surrey Police have officially confirmed that to Caroline with a full apology and undertaking that the harassment against Caroline and her family, which Caroline has repeatedly reported, will be properly investigated.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/03/2019 17:10

Can we ask how many man/woman hours have been used on this incident and others? Why are we paying for a personal police force for this woman?

R0wantrees · 21/03/2019 17:18

Miranda Yardley had 10 months of uncertainty:

When a Transsexual is Prosecuted for ‘Transgender Hate Crime’

POSTED ON 16TH MARCH 2019 BY MIRANDA

"On Friday 1 March, ten months of uncertainty and fear for my public reputation came to an end as a District Judge told a CPS prosecutor that the prosecution they were bringing against me for harassment under s2 of the Protection From Harassment Act 1997 was a baseless, politically motivated case and should never have come to court. I was awarded costs from the CPS, and this bizarre farce where a transsexual was being prosecuted for ‘transgender hate crime’ reached an abrupt end. After all this, there was no case to answer.

fHaving listened to two hours of evasive video evidence from a complainant who continually hid behind her claims to be protecting her ‘transgender son’, the judge had lost patience. Addressing the prosecutor he asked ‘where is the evidence?’, the prosecutor seemed almost embarrassed, admitting this was essentially a single tweet and the complainant’s rambing, incoherent testimony. The judge responded that the Crown had failed to establish a ‘course of conduct’ and that there ‘never was a case’. Game over.

This was a bizarre case where I, a transsexual who transitioned over a decade ago, was charged with a ‘transgender hate crime’ against someone who is not transgender. A spat on Twitter in February 2018 had led to a police complaint, in the April I was visited at my door by two police officers from my local force acting on behalf of West Yorkshire Police. The officers told me I was to attend the police station to be interviewed under caution for ‘hate crime’, harassment and malicious communications. I attended voluntarily, and after the reading of a prepared statement I responded ‘no comment’ to questions. Following this, I had biometric samples taken including fingerprinting.

Ironically, what this case has demonstrated is what we have seen as a ‘course of conduct’ from transgender activists and in particular from the transgender advocacy charity Mermaids: the complainant Helen Islan is a volunteer with this charity, providing marketing and social media services to the charity. Islan had accused me of ‘doxing’ her ‘transgender son’, on the basis of my having tweeted the first page of a Google search of her name. This contained a small image of her and her children from one of her own social media accounts.

The claim of ‘doxing’ was unsupported by evidence, initially denying she’d ever used her full name online, my defence produced screen captures from Twitter showing Helen Islan had tweeted under her own name until at least 2016. In particular, Islan regularly tweeted about her ‘transgender son’ including discussing her experiences at school and her use of puberty-delaying drugs. In spite of playing victim, defence evidence showed that Islan undertakes exactly the sort of behaviour for which she was trying to have me prosecuted.

Under her own Twitter account, Islan regularly instigates vicious personal attacks against people she disagrees with. In particular, Islan instigated Twitter pile-ons, posting vicious personal attacks on women like Stephanie Davies-Arai, Michele Moore and Heather Brunskell-Evans, women who like me do not believe that children can be born into the wrong body." (continues)
mirandayardley.com/en/when-a-transsexual-is-prosecuted-for-transgender-hate-crime/

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 21/03/2019 17:24

I am still completely amazed and fucked off about what happened to Miranda.

R0wantrees · 21/03/2019 17:29

December 2018 thread re second allegation against Posie Parker by Susie Green which is being investigated:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3455034-Posie-Parker-to-be-interviewed-by-the-police-again-following-another-complaint-from-Susie-Green

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/03/2019 17:31

Same police force?

Thesuzle · 21/03/2019 17:40

Yes I second the crowd funding..
I’m with you on this Carolinexxxx

R0wantrees · 21/03/2019 17:47

LordProf Im not sure if it was West Yorkshire Police again.

I just looked for PP's video when she discussed it (was during Christmas). I couldn't find it & think its a FB.

This is a relevent though:

Posie Parker
'A force that needs reminding that woman means adult human female'

MBright · 21/03/2019 17:55

This entire thread is based on lies that the subject of the thread has fed into. It's now been revealed what the tweets actually said, and it wasn't misgendering Susie Green's daughter. It was over allegations of child abuse and mutilation she directed at Susie Green. It's obvious this whole thread has been an exercise in rabble-rousing about scary trans activists, when the reality is that the subject of the police interview made substantially libellous accusations on a public platform.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/20/police-investigating-misgendering-mermaids-ceo-trans-daughter/amp/

Bluestitch · 21/03/2019 17:57

Yeah we saw the tweets in question yesterday and have been discussing them ever since, if you read the thread. And I'm not sure what is libellous about them.

Kettleon80 · 21/03/2019 17:57

What word would you use to describe the removal of a penis MBright?

Fazackerley · 21/03/2019 17:58

Have you read the thread? We know what the tweets say. They are not libellous.

heresyisthenewblack · 21/03/2019 18:00

I think Johanna Olson-Kennedy is being hosted by Dr Peter Dunne at Bristol University soon.

www.bristol.ac.uk/ias/fellowships/meakers/johanna-olson-kennedy/

AlunWynsKnee · 21/03/2019 18:00

If it's libellous (which it plainly isn't) then why were the police involved? My understanding was that libel and slander are civil matters. Not criminal.

EweSurname · 21/03/2019 18:01

I thought Posie's second police force was Wiltshire?

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 21/03/2019 18:02

MBright

It’s almost comical that pink news is your source!
We’ve seen the tweets, nothing libellous in them as it’s information SG made available herself in public, she’s made a career out of taking her child for illegal procedures.
If someone takes a child out of this country for penis removal, that is illegal here, then it’s pretty fair to call it child abuse. If it wasn’t, it would be legal here and still legal in Thailand, which it isn’t. I agree with every word of the tweets. It’s scary you don’t.

RockyFlintstone · 21/03/2019 18:02

This entire thread is based on lies that the subject of the thread has fed into. It's now been revealed what the tweets actually said, and it wasn't misgendering Susie Green's daughter. It was over allegations of child abuse and mutilation she directed at Susie Green. It's obvious this whole thread has been an exercise in rabble-rousing about scary trans activists, when the reality is that the subject of the police interview made substantially libellous accusations on a public platform.

Which lies are they? The police told Caroline Farrow that she was being investigated for 'misgendering'. What in the tweets are not fact? Remebering that Susie Green took her child to Thailand when he was 15 (the age when he got on the plane to go) to get her child's penis and testicles removed, a practice which is illegal in this country and is now also illegal in Thailand.

So come on, let's hear it.

CaptainMarvelBunting · 21/03/2019 18:02

Yeah, MBright, we know what spin Green is trying to engineer. Caroline Farrow' s tweets were entirely right and true. Green would have been wiser to stick to trying to manufacture offence about misgendering. Trying to get the public to get behind illegal operations on children is a much harder sell for her.

HTH.

MBright · 21/03/2019 18:02

Okay, I guess I was wrong to think any of you would care about the truth. Caroline's feigned innocence at the start of the thread is pretty rich given what she came out with. "Might have said son" my foot. And of course that got lapped right up - no wonder given this is the premier hotbed for anti-trans bigotry in the UK.

RockyFlintstone · 21/03/2019 18:02

As for quoting Pink News as your source! 😂

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 21/03/2019 18:04

Okay, I guess I was wrong to think any of you would care about the truth.

We do. That’s why we read the tweets. Which are factual.

It’s not bigoted to correctly identify the sex of anyone. We don’t have to believe in your ideology, particularly when it damages children.

CaptainMarvelBunting · 21/03/2019 18:04

Blah blah blah.

Keep going. It's not hatred to say that illegal operations on children are wrong.

You are manifestly creepy if you think that kind of 'medical practice' should be defended and then promoted by Green and her cabal.

nauticant · 21/03/2019 18:05

I must say, once I learn the tweets weren't about misgendering but instead were about Susie Green taking her child abroad to undergo a surgical procedure far more extensive than mere castration, my sympathies were all with Susie Green.

Imagine being so cruel as to criticise what she arranged for her child!

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 21/03/2019 18:10

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