Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"

[Pimmsnlemonade]

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107787009614065664

And, as she says in the thread:

"Meanwhile a group of people have terrified and harassed my family. Doxed my children, made violent and sexual threats, signed me up to porn accounts, did the same to my husband, threatened to visit here. And tumbleweed..."

You folks sound like a creepy cult.

Well what with trying to erode safeguarding of children and pretend consent isn't an issue, I'm sure I don't need to spell out what YOU sound like.

Anyhow, I've got infinitely better things to do with my time than sit here and be your strawman (and, incidentally, nobody wants to read your 900 post thread). I'd heard it was awful here, but last time I'd read Mumsnet there was at least some measure of sanity. You folks sound like a creepy cult.

The narc rage never takes long

So the fact of the case are n’lud,

Caroline wasn’t hauled up for merely saying a girl is/was a boy... it was for pointing out that the mother of the child (for they were undoubtedly a child at the time) firstly took this pre pubescent child abroad for the purpose of obtaining drugs for a non life threatening ‘condition’ (and I’m not sure about ongoing drugs supplies since they wouldn’t have been available legally/freely in the UK - ohhhhh like ‘dr’ wobbly maybe).

They then took this - again - child of 15 to a country solely for the purpose of buying an operation to remove parts of the body - again a cosmetic procedure - which is illegal at that age on this country, and although legal in that country at the time, has since been made a criminal offence.

Arguing over a pronoun misuse against this?? Caroline states that she was given the scantest of explanations as to why the police had been spurred into action and from what she says, her conclusion was a reasonable one.

Silly poster, dramatically trying to miss the dead cat point and ignore the bigger picture.

You folks sound like a creepy cult.

Oh, the projection...

incidentally, nobody wants to read your 900 post thread

Ahem. 14 million unique MN users. 128 million page views a month. But whatever.

If disagreeing with medical intervention on children is a cult, then bring on the goats heads and pentagons.

I like these sort of posts as they remind the lurkers of the creeps we're up against.

(and, incidentally, nobody wants to read your 900 post thread)

MBright your opening allegation was:

This entire thread is based on lies that the subject of the thread has fed into

some interesting patterns being demonstrated here...

The names we get called by those who cannot debate or use logic and critical thinking:

Nest of vipers
Radicalisation portal
Rabble rousers
Premier hotbed
Wolf pack
Creepy cult

any more to add?

Premier hotbed

Is there a surcharge for this? I have to book a room in a Premier Inn for a few weeks time, and a hotbed sounds like it'll be expensive.

I like these sort of posts as they remind the lurkers of the creeps we're up against.

Creeps who want safeguarding of children to be abandoned because it ‘infantilises’ them. I mean, Christ. This is next level disturbing.

The infantilisation of a 15-year-old seems very ideologically driven too. I made all manner of life-changing and irreversible decisions for myself at 15, and I know folks who were living on their own and working to support themselves at that age. The idea that you can't make such decisions for yourself at that age is patently absurd.

I actually think comments like this shouldn't be deleted as it shows these people for who they are. Why is there an age of consent? Why can't people under 18 get a tattoo? Why can't they vote? What sort of decisions did you make at 15?

At what age do you think that children can be 'infantalised' MBright? Susie Green took her child to America to get drugs were also illegal in this country? Did Jackie have the capacity to consent to that? How young do you want to go?

I made all manner of life-changing and irreversible decisions for myself at 15, and I know folks who were living on their own and working to support themselves at that age. The idea that you can't make such decisions for yourself at that age is patently absurd.

Many people made big decisions at that age - but not, necessarily, aided and abetted by their parents. And looking back at that age, it has to be said that there was only pure immature naivety in relation to those decisions.

The fact remains, it’s illegal in this country. The law is infantilising children? I mean wtf

How young do you want to go?

A necessary question. And one that needing to be asked, reveals the pretty damning truth about this lobby.

Women in their 20s and 30s are often not allowed to decide to be sterilised. Remind me why teenagers can?

sexual reassignment isn't genital removal.

Is that so? What is sexual reassignment surgery, then, if it is not the removal of external genitalia?

That's a fallacious argument, but for what it's worth I could vote and drive at 16 (not from the UK).

So @MBright I love how you’ve answered with a fallacious argument yourself. Not sure why your lack of UK background helps in this discussion.
Just to be clear in UK we don’t consider children capable of driving on public roads at 16. And we don’t consider children capable of consenting to sex under 16. And we don’t consider children capable of consenting to have a tattoo until 18 even with parental consent so why on earth would we consider a child of 15 capable of consenting to having their penis and testicles removed?
Answer - we don’t and that’s why it’s a crime in UK ... and that’s why we think what was done to poor Jackie was child abuse.

HTH

R0wantrees

My goodness I wish I was as organised as you. All my links and files are just sitting in a folder as a big steaming pile of poo that I reluctantly pick through when trying to make a point...

MBright

This thread has some very interesting discussions, documenting events and media coverage in almost real-time. You can read what Caroline herself wrote here. This is probably THE place on the web where you'll get the most information (with commentary) on what happened, collected into one document.

You have over 900 messages of (mainly) women thinking, analyzing and sharing. If you wanted to engage, and understand the points of view of posters on here, you would read the thread.

Posters talked about what was said by Susie Green on Victoria Derbyshire, looked at the Mermaids statement, read the articles from the Spectator, the Guardian, etc. The definition of the word 'castration' has been discussed, as has law. Reading this thread has taught me a great deal.

But no. Not you. No no no. We're couldn't possibly be worthy of your time. You're too special and important to read our words.

Yet you think we should pay heed to your every post, be grateful for your repeat of a PinkNews article already posted upthread, and clap at your opinions. You crash in, insult everyone here, and call concerned, educated posters on a parenting forum called Mumsnet fear-mongers. You're saying it's wrong for a bunch of mums to worry about the ethics of parents taking their children abroad for treatments that are illegal in the UK, such as the penis-inverting-and-testicle-removing operation that you'd euphemistically call gender reassignment surgery. Medical interventions which render the children sterile.

Great work, there. Really changing minds with that approach.

substantially libellous accusations on a public platform.

Susie should sue then. I wonder why she chose to go down this route instead of the libel option?

MBright posters have kindly uploaded videos of Suzy Green explaining exactly what surgery her child received.

According to your non-removal of genitals theory her description must be a lie.

There's a relevant programme just started on Radio 4 about the law on malicious communications.

MBright
As soon as you used the word folks, your intentions are clear
From an avid reader and sometime poster.

HTH