Josie Long refers to women as 'terfs'

[abuseofpowercomesasnosurprise]

...and defends the Mermaids jelly baby scale. I'm so pissed off at people like this who have apparently done zero research and yet are happy to put their woke two cents in whilst also casually using misogynistic slurs. How can they not see how utterly sexist it all is? How is calling other women by a derogatory slur at all productive? How is using gender stereotypes in any way helpful? How about if we used them for race? Where would you fit on the race scale? Do you like eating watermelon and ribs or do you have a good sense of rhythm? Then you're more at the black end of the scale. No no no no no. The stereotypes are the problem, we don't need to work with the stereotypes we've got and be told to pick a place on the scale, we need to escape them altogether. FFS.

I've never heard of her.
I think Jonathan Pie has touched on trans stuff but more as part of his distaste for identity politics in a wider sense. I watched a most enjoyable interview he did with Owen Jones who obviously expected them to be pally and on the same side and this was not the case...JP is not tribal.

I used to love Brigstocke, but he seems to have gone full woke now, and there seems to be much more anger in his comedy than ever before, and I'm not finding him very funny.

I don't think it's surprising comedians don't address GC stuff. Punching down at minorities has been out of favour with a mainstream audience for a while now.
Someone like Sascha Baron Cohen still does it somewhat and seems to get away with it.

hipsterfun I've been disillusioned since university really, when I had posh boys lecturing me on 'wrongthink' and what it was like to be working class. 20 years later and I have to deal with Owen Jones doing it through a social media megaphone, with all his woke handmaidens joining in the chorus, sharing their virtue-signalling links to stories that are often not true or only telling half of the story. It's been a long journey to this point where I've ditched a lot of acquaintances in a quiet, undramatic way, to trust my own reality and acknowledge 'actually, this is bullshit'. I always thought I could rely on comedians to tell it like it is, however, but have become disillusioned with many of them too. Even things like 'The Mash Report' and John Oliver, I thought some of it was funny, but then there would be this element to it that was so uncritically tribal it would piss me off, telling people what they wanted to hear and pointing the finger with little self-analysis.

On the other hand, I'd be massively disappointed if John Finnemore, who is one of my comedy heroes, turned out to support the TRA line.

Finnemore’s comedy seems to be founded on his sharp mind and well developed instinct for bullshit detection, so it would be a disappointment.

But I used to think more of conspicuously-keeping-his-own-counsel David Mitchell, so y’know...

I'd never heard of her, and just googled the name. Her Twitter account came up with a tweet saying that " anyone who says anything rude about Owen jones raises a red flag" for her. It's a club.

...a club you have to sign up for.....and buy into. I guess that's her social circle.

Yes, I saw that. In world where we're worried about the red flags around safeguarding wrt women and children, and the loopholes created by AWA ideology for predators to sail straight through, she thinks being 'rude' about Owen Jones is a red flag.

What colour is the sky in her world, I wonder?

I just saw that about the massive red flag and also the line of mermaids. I'd never heard of her before but don't think I'll be bothering with her somehow.

A more relevant question might be: How many sexes are there in her world?

Two. Same as mine

anyone who says anything rude about Owen jones raises a red flag

[wonders whether to laugh or cry, laugh or cry]

One of the revealing exchanges in those series of tweets is when OJ said Sali had never tweeted about Islamphobia. Because obviously the only kind of activism that matters is what you say on Twitter. It's reminiscent of the time that Ash Sarkar tweeted that Julie Bindel had never done anything to help women in prison because she hadn't tweeted about it.

Sali, incidentally, has a very un-privileged background, so it's almost comical to see all those woke bros and handmaidens berating her for her supposed privilege.

Sorry, that should have been on the Sali Hughes thread.

I started to realise that there was something really nasty in "look at those wrong-thinkers who are morally inferior to us!

It is not a good luck. Like Hipster says, down-punching.

I have been uncomfortable with this sort of comedy for sometime. I have listened to R4 and there is so much that is just unkind and not funny at all. Just ranting.

It plays into the hands of those they find morally inferior, especially when they start on what would normally be their own supporters.

good look* [embarrassed]

I have been uncomfortable with this sort of comedy for sometime. I have listened to R4 and there is so much that is just unkind and not funny at all. Just ranting.

Yes, that competitive style male comedy - into which a few women have now been co-opted. I've long hated those sorts of competitive humour shows. A lot it is just plain nasty. Recall Ian Hislop being really vile to Paula Yates once, on " Have I got New For You". Never forgiven him.

" anyone who says anything rude about Owen Jones raises a red flag" pure tribalism and 'in-group' vs 'out-group' mentality, presuming that one person is always right and anyone who disagrees is always wrong. I think that's where these people's politics comes from, it's no different to a fashion subculture and wanting to belong in a group where everyone thinks exactly the same as you. I mean, I understand it, but it's not progressive.

I listen to R4 all the time, but she's amongst the two or three people I switch to a different channel for. She always talks with a smirk in the back of her voice, very irritating. Glad she holds annoying views as well. Thought she was referred to as a poet, though, not a comedian.

I started to realise that there was something really nasty in "look at those wrong-thinkers who are morally inferior to us!

That describes every social justice warrior / virtue-signaller I have ever encountered.

She's part of a woke-brigade of unfunny comedians. Too worried about offending people to actually be funny. However I also think some of the scathingly funny ones are likely to be on the 'woke' side too. It's the nature of the comedy circuit I think - generally on the extreme liberal side.

Owen Jones comes across as a snivelling little twerp, I don't understood the love for him in some circles? Even back when I was in the 'yay, Jeremy Corbyn' gang I couldn't stand OJ, and haven't met anyone who likes him. He's so pompous, and not half as clever as he thinks he is.

She always talks with a smirk in the back of her voice, very irritating.

I don’t think that’s fair at all.

Yes, there's always this smirking undertone, isn't there? Suggesting that if you disagree on one point then you must automatically be right-wing, racist etc, as happened to Sali Hughes, despite all she's done and her background. It's pointing the finger and equating any kind of rational objection to a 'deep, dark secret', some sort of phobia or hidden hatred, it's completely intellectually dishonest. I had something similar myself where I was accused of not really being from a working-class background because it just wasn't possible for me to be so and not spout the standard party-line. Utter BS.

I tried to get on-board with OJ early on and read 'Chavs', but it all felt a bit 'noble savage' to me. He's a pompous, preachy little prick, witchfinder general who is clearly more obsessed about his own self-image than anything else, he's just got worse and worse.

Phobia-phobes.

#problematic