Jeremy Vine, R2 13 yr old trans girl on next (Friday 15/03)

[NellieEllie]

About to start I think.....

Oh dear. Wanted to play with girls toys.

'Parents being accused of child abuse' - strong implication that those accusations are towards parents facilitating transition, not the other way round. i.e. - poor parents trying to help their children and being vilified

Glad the correspondent pointed out boys can play with "girls" toys.

How do I know I'm a girl?

I have always loathed Jeremy Vine, for the tone of faux compassion that he always uses when interviewing someone who’s been through any kind of trauma. It’s such an us and them thing - he manages to convey just through that tone that he’s a “normal person” and his interviewee the “unfortunate freak”, who he condescends to.

A man with the self awareness of an aubergine.

No surprise that he’s chock full of TRA Kool Aid. But I loathe him even more for it.

Arghhhh

"it's 2019 - everyone's gay, everyone's trans" - the 13 year old. FFS.

Clearly this kid has been brainwashed by the internet. "Don't deadname me". His poor parents.

This kid sounds really difficult and as though the parents should have been firmer - its got out of hand now.

'Mentally and emotionally resilient'

That's a joke, right?

Attention seeking nonsense.

Puberty blockers.

Actually harming and stunting the natural development of their own body. What are the long-term consequences of this?

So sad.

"it's 2019 - everyone's gay, everyone's trans" - the 13 year old. FFS.

Really, did the child actually make out it was the done thing to be gay or trans? Talk about falling straight into the transtrender trap.

My child has become confident....

Maybe 'my child now has the upper hand and is revelling in the controlling power trip'...

Actually, my heart went out to the mum. But “Barrie’s and cars”, and buying a dress. On puberty blockers at 13. What about infertility, sexual dysfunction and interference with brain development?

I don't think kids of this age should be interviewed because they come across as such entitled little shits. They will look back and cringe.

I find the BBC on this subject actually unbelievable. They are on a crusade to tell us that gender trumps sex. It's absolutely bewildering that they should be so motivated to do this.

Agreed WeRiseUp

JV keeps muddling the words gender and sex, it's beyond irritating.

My heart didn't really go out to the mum.

One of my kids has consistently claimed to be a particular animal for the last five and a half years.

Another is on the spectrum and does the thing of being unhappy and flinging upon the sofa after school in misery (recently saved by discovery of Harry Potter though ) - so I don't need to 'imagine'.

I know that I as the fucking adult know where my kids are getting divorced from reality. What is wrong with these adults who can't take authority over their own kids?

It's so blatant, isn't it, Helmet?

What is with this uncontested definition of "cis" gender? How many women are "happy" with their female body growing up?

The absolute reverence in JVs voice!

Susie Green CEO Mermaids talking about she knows that puberty blockers are 'safe & reversable' because she follows "all the studies"

as opposed to:

BMJ Prof Carl Heneghan, Evidence Based Medicine Oxford (Panorama, Trans Kids:) 'Gender-affirming hormone in children and adolescents – Evidence review' concludes 'There are significant

Professor Carl Heneghan was interviewed on Panorama & as a consequence of his analysis concluded that 'informed consent is not possible'

BMJ EBM Spotlight paper:
'Gender-affirming hormone in children and adolescents – Evidence review'
Posted on 25th February 2019

(extract)
"Gender dysphoria occurs when a person experiences discomfort or distress because of a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. Gender dysphoria can arise in childhood and adolescent which raises many questions about how best to handle the condition. This post sets out the current evidence for gender-affirming hormones in adolescents and children to aid decision making. (continues)

"Conclusions

There are significant problems with how the evidence for Gender-affirming cross-sex hormone has been collected and analysed that prevents definitive conclusions to be drawn. Similar to puberty blockers, the evidence is limited by small sample sizes; retrospective methods, loss of considerable numbers of patients in follow-up. The majority of studies also lack a control group (only two studies used controls). Interventions have heterogeneous treatment regimes complicating comparisons between studies. Also adherence to the interventions are either not reported or at best inconsistent. Subjective outcomes, which are highly prevalent in the studies, are also prone to bias due to lack of blinding, and many effects can be explained by regression to the mean.

The development of these interventions should, therefore, occur in the context of research. Treatments for under 18 gender dysphoric children and adolescents remain largely experimental. There are a large number of unanswered questions that include the age at start, reversibility; adverse events, long term effects on mental health, quality of life, bone mineral density, osteoporosis in later life and cognition. We wonder whether off label use is appropriate and justified for drugs such as spironolactone which can cause substantial harms, including death. We are also ignorant of the long-term safety profiles of the different GAH regimens. The current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice."
blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518188-BMJ-Prof-Carl-Heneghan-Evidence-Based-Medicine-Oxford-Panorama-Trans-Kids-Gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-Evidence-review-concludes-There-are-significant-problems

apologies for the inappropriate smiley. I'm not sure how that crept in.