Maria Miller on Twitter

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twitter.com/MariaMillerUK/status/1105568497516642306?s=19

Maria is getting absolutely ratioed here if anybody is on Twitter I would pop over there and have a look it's a joyous thing to behold

Conservative Party HQ has reviewed possible election issues in case of a snap general election.

This one took them (at least the men) by surprise. They thought Maria and Penny had it covered. Maria is quickly shifting the blame.

(Though I note a high proportion of retweets are from trans people. As if to get reassurance she was right all along.)

Labour has other things to clean up. Their immediate issue is anti-semitism, with Tom Watson manoeuvring.

Conservative Party HQ has reviewed possible election issues in case of a snap general election

It's not just a backlash against MM: Penny Mordaunt's civil servants are getting challenged at every turn, on Twitter.

They announce that they are sending delegates to the UN Conference on Women - and get asked whether they can be trusted to know what a woman is.

This morning they announce a lesbian, bi and Transwomen health action plan - and get roasted for missing out the women suffering health issues because of their transition to men.

They are doubling down with their LGBT 'inclusivity' at every turn - but this month, they started to attract the wrath of Twitter GC women and allies.

Thank goodness for that - because this is where it all started. This is the root cause of the damage to the legal status of the female sex. These are the civil servants who have an agenda, favour the trans lobby and brief Ministers (poorly and with bias). it's about time they were made accountable and came out from behind Ministers' skirts.

I am disappointed to think that someone has the right to refuse work to me and others like me in my sector just because they think that I might not be a woman

How tone deaf is this? The only roles that men are excluded from are those to protect the safety and dignity of women and girls.

Why would anyone use those roles as a validation exercise?

And why wouldn't the government make it clear that these roles are not to be used to validate anyone?

Who are the civil servants theOtherPamAyres?

I don't think professional civil servants would be a problem. They are policy-neutral to a fault.

I would keep an eye on the Spads, the Special Advisors, political appointments with lobbying backgrounds. They are a cancer in our body politic.

Thank goodness for that - because this is where it all started. This is the root cause of the damage to the legal status of the female sex. These are the civil servants who have an agenda, favour the trans lobby and brief Ministers (poorly and with bias). it's about time they were made accountable and came out from behind Ministers' skirts.

YY Pam. It doesn't matter which trail of crumbs you follow, it's obvious that civil servants (and a certain informal network for civil servants) have been all over this from the start.

Someone posted this on another thread ages ago.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/ministers-reflect/person/lynne-featherstone/

Lynne Featherstone:
And my civil servants, you know, they had already read up all about me. They were very clever. It is not as if I was some kind of foreign body coming in. I found I had a submission for a transgender action plan, which I would have done, but they had thought ahead from everything I had said on the Equality Bill. I thought how very clever. I mean, that wasn’t on anyone’s list but they had obviously decided that would be one of my priorities.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/ministers-reflect/person/lynne-featherstone/

I didn't see this post so commented in response to MM's Twitter thread- posted in Penny Mordaunt's Q & A thread (still no answers ) so will paste here too.
Maria Miller is trying to deflect from herself/her own responsibility but those who have replied to the Twitter thread are having none of it-it is a sight to behold. I am one of those "purported feminists" she tried to rubbish-I have been an active one throughout my life so I KNOW there are members of the women's groups (she mentioned as having been consulted) who do NOT agree with GRA consultations re: self-Id. A handful of "spokespersons" are not representative of all the views of women who work in/use the services who, even if consulted, may not have felt free to say what they really think. Especially if they know transwomen would be reading it or even facilitating the discussions!
As a potential future service user, I would be appalled if met by a transwoman worker in a female only service. It is very rare for them to "pass" so I would perceive them as male-however they identify. I am extremely anxious about how this will affect me if I need intimate care, in the not so distant future, as an older woman and a male bodied person comes to my door or hospital bed to provide it. I know women who will be traumatised by this-how is this person centred if all about the employee & not the needs/requests of the actual patient etc.
Organisations have been, I think, afraid to ask the questions in case of threat of legal action (this was implied in the document I posted about) & if transwomen do not disclose they are trans (as has happened) organisations feel have to employ/retain them.
Any of these organisations (which do a great job-let's not detract from that) can no longer call themselves "women only". It is one thing to have "legal" (a legal fiction) females accessing them but quite another to include those who have no intention of transitioning whatsoever or live as men part of the time. As such, they should no longer be held up as if their voices represent ordinary women, who have no desire to control how anyone dresses/identify but who want "women only" to mean men are, legally, excluded.

This is thread I was referring to above (as I mentioned, above, a Report I referred to in my Q for PM in it):
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3523984-International-Women-s-Day-Q-A-with-Penny-Mordaunt-MP-Secretary-of-State-for-International-Development

What’s happening with that government led initiative exploring ROGD?

Is another wheel about to fall off the transkids bus?

I don't think professional civil servants would be a problem. They are policy-neutral to a fault

I am not so sure. Several years of Stonewall training, virtual signalling with rainbow lanyards, and woke-signalling is the order of the day. DH has decided he is too old for it all, but watches as the ambitious ypung white men, fresh off the graduate scheme rush to out PC each other.

Mmmm
The Naked Civil Servant anyone?

MW told us that the provision was: discriminatory to transsexual people especially trans women. I genuinely believe that...it has no place in violence against women work. I was unaware of its existence until a few weeks ago. I have worked in the violence against women sector since 2005.
I find it hard to believe that someone who worked in the VAW Sector (for years!) was unaware of the Female only criteria (exclusion of even those with GRC) which is permitted BY LAW for e.g. Rape Crisis Counsellor posts. I read, in the Online evidence (posted above), that they state that they did not disclose they were a transwoman (when applying for women only job) as didn't consider it "relevant". So women/workers using these services did NOT make an informed choice, at that interview, when employing them/this valid exemption was not upheld.
Theirs is one of ONLY FOUR voices (apart from the facilitator) on Engender podcast re: GRA consultation ("The Gender Recognition Act and Women's Equality"). In it MW states: "this legislation is only going to impact on individuals who need to use it" (bit of an understatement).
One of the others is another transwoman (on online article they wrote) BK from Scottish Trans Alliance.
So 2 MtF (self disclosed/in public domain) in a panel of 4 discussing women's rights.
The 3rd voice (ER of Engender) is, according to Podcast, advising the fourth re: Equalities Law. I have read that women requested a meeting to discuss the GRA & ER/Engender cancelled it & it has still not been re-scheduled. Surely a Feminist "Advocacy" organisation, which is Government funded, needs to consult with/represent all women, including those who feel this may negatively impact on them, rather than predominantly those who will benefit.

I don't think professional civil servants would be a problem. They are policy-neutral to a fault

Not in the Womens' and Equality Department, they are not. There is a link above to an interview with Lynne Featherstone (LibDem) about her days as the W & E Minister.

Her civil servants produced the Transgender Action Plan out of a drawer and said that it was something that she was made to champion. She hadn't given transgender matters any thought beforehand. It was no-one's priorty. It wasn't in a manifesto.

Hey presto, those civil servants subtly and stealthily manouevred a Minister along a path to where we are now. While ministers come and go at an alarming rate, the grants for trans lobby groups still get passed by the department and they have a privileged position when it comes to consultation and policy making.

Whoever is in charge of the department's Twitter account includes transwoman in the definition of woman. They avoid the words 'sex', 'female' etc and talk of 'people', 'families' and 'gender'.

Presumably there is a cross-over of career paths for diversity civil servants and diversity lobbyists.

Yup, the 'scene' is - understandably - small.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170614014620/challengingjourneys.wordpress.com/2013/11/09/is-spousal-veto-based-on-swiss-cheese/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20170614014620/challengingjourneys.wordpress.com/2013/11/09/is-spousal-veto-based-on-swiss-cheese/
(Helen Belcher's blog)

"Last weekend Prof Stephen Whittle posted his legal reasoning why the requirement for spousal consent is important. Stephen is a professor of law, and his credentials in terms of campaigning for the rights of trans people are impressive, to say the least.

After an event in July, Stephen, Jacqui Gavin (of a:Gender) and I sat down in a small cafe in Westminster, where Stephen started outlining the thoughts he has now expressed in his blog...."

a:gender is the support network for staff in government departments / agencies who have changed or need to change permanently their perceived gender, or who identify as intersex. Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/503663/Workplace_Guide_CSEP_revised_Final_V1_.pdf

Discussion about that^ guide: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3520371-civil-service-trans-policy-what-can-i-do

(None of this excuses Maria Miller's failures!)

Can a person "identify" as intersex?

Has Stella hacked Maria’s twitter?

That is a shocking display.The Tories normally manage to behave better.

Much as I am enraged to see her try and throw Penny under the bus, I am pleased to see we have moved to the stage of arguing over who gets the blame rather than who gets the credit.

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Hope that’s enough for everyone

Hey presto, those civil servants subtly and stealthily manouevred a Minister along a path to where we are now. While ministers come and go at an alarming rate, the grants for trans lobby groups still get passed by the department and they have a privileged position when it comes to consultation and policy making.

BettyDuMonde wrote:

I also found 66 pages of Christine Burns (Stephen Whittle’s Press for Change co founder) complaining about trans services (2006)

ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Health/Essays_In_Trans_Healthcare.pdf

Christine Burns:
'Echoes of a Bygone Age'
First Published 20th November 2004
(extract)
"The Parliamentary Forum only meets 2 or 3 times every year. Its strength, however, is that it provides a uniquely strong forum for expert stakeholders from all sides in this field.
Meetings are regularly attended by a healthy contingent of well known practitioners... people like Russell Reid, Kevan Wylie, Domenico de Ceglie and Richard Green are regulars... along
with Dr Joyce Martin, a retired GP who is also a trans woman.
Alongside them sit the leading faces in trans campaigning and support .. including Stephen Whittle, Claire McNab, Tracy Dean, people from groups such as the Gender Trust, GIRES...
and myself.
Then there are specialists in particular areas, such as equal opportunities, policing and nursing.
Last, but not least, there are the MPs who get along regularly too... with Dr Lynne Jones MP in the chair. Very often Dr Evan Harris MP manages to attend too... or sends one of his researchers.
(Evan Harris is a significant figure in this, as he was Liberal Democrat Health Spokesman until recently, when personal circumstances forced him to scale down his commitments).
To get such a broad church to agree on a very detailed document is no mean feat. It has taken literally years... and has come down to a sentence by sentence reading ordeal over the last few meetings of the forum, as all sides managed to agree forms of words to describe the detail and aspirations of trans people's care to mutual satisfaction." (continues)
from thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3531873-Searching-for-expert-statement-re-male-prisoners-seeking-transition

Thank you R0wantrees for the very timely reminder that fun as the twitshow is actually it is the Men behind all this that are responsible.

Maria is a puppet and ultimately it is the puppet master we need to go after.

Stonewall gave this man a special award : Jonathan Slater, Permanent Secretary, Department for Education.

Amongst other things he has "championed the introduction of gender neutral toilets in the department’s Coventry, London and Nottingham offices". .."He is the first Permanent Secretary to attend the Stonewall face-to-face feedback meeting to hear first-hand about how the department might build on the positive work that has already been started..."
I'm always amazed that a civil servant who relishes removing women's rights to sex segregated spaces is actually allowed to work in the DfE.

Jonathan Slater

There’s a name to remember for the upcoming public enquiry.

Stonewall gave this man a special award : Jonathan Slater, Permanent Secretary, Department for Education.

recent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3488261-The-Financial-Juggernaut-that-is-Stonewall

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3483833-Follow-the-Pink-Money-the-consumerisation-of-the-sector-and-its-influencers

Stonewall gave this man a special award

hmm - follow the awards - there is such a plethora of awards in this arena.

hmm - follow the awards - there is such a plethora of awards in this arena

Didn't Susie Green (CEO Mermaids) get a lifetime achievement award sponsored by M15?

As an aside I was following the historic CSE inquiry which this week established the absence of safeguarding policies there until realtively recently.

Impartial Civil Servants? I don't think so

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-can-reveal-whitehalls-secret-brexit-plan-stop-it-dead-xm62nv8mc?shareToken=ed23292c96ade471a76d1182da7f932d

All it takes is a few closet APGs in senior positions to exert undue influence. And I don't think that's an impossible scenario by any means.