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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maria Miller on Twitter

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MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 12/03/2019 21:59

twitter.com/MariaMillerUK/status/1105568497516642306?s=19

Maria is getting absolutely ratioed here if anybody is on Twitter I would pop over there and have a look it's a joyous thing to behold

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DoctoressPlague · 13/03/2019 00:10

I'm oscillating between joy and rage at Miller's arrogant fuckwittery. I hope her constituents have the sense to get rid of this walking disaster of an MP at the next GE. Is there anyone among our number who fancies standing against her? I'm ready to go canvassing!

EBearhug · 13/03/2019 00:16

I hope her constituents have the sense to get rid of this walking disaster of an MP at the next GE.

I hope so, too, (I've never yet voted for her,) but I fear my neighbours will disappoint you.

ToeToToe · 13/03/2019 00:26

Well on a slightly different point - it is documented very clearly in that parliamentary report document that it is not illegal to ask for a GRC.

73. It is not unlawful under the GRA to ask a person to produce a GRC, 69

Point 73, p21.

The amount of nonsense I've seen on twitter that David Lloyd is "breaking the law" - they're not.

Smotheroffive · 13/03/2019 00:36

And grc means....having transitioned, from actual male genitalia, to looky-likey female, to acquire said GRC?

Smotheroffive · 13/03/2019 00:40

I'm glad I've seen that, thanks for posting and glad DLs are operating that. What a nightmare for any and all that have designated sex changing rooms.

Tolleshunt · 13/03/2019 00:42

No surprise at all about Maria Miller's conduct in this. She showed her true colours back when she royally fucked disabled people over, under the coalition. The woman has no compassion, zero consideration for others, and would sell her granny for self-gain (or a fat expenses cheque).

ToeToToe · 13/03/2019 00:55

No, gender reassignment surgery is not required to get a grc.

I'm reading that document and it's shocking stuff. I've never read it before.

Re: single sex exemptions under the Equality Act for genuine occupational requirement (eg working in a women's refuge, rape crisis, carrying out mammograms etc) -

We heard unequivocal opposition to this provision. The Scottish Transgender Alliance told us that they wished to see it repealed:

And they try to claim this is not an assault on women's rights.

Katterinaballerina · 13/03/2019 00:58

She’s anti abortion too.

DeRigueurMortis · 13/03/2019 01:05

She didn't listen before so I doubt she will listen now, however many people comment.

I'm not on twitter but couldn't help but take a peak and though I doubt MM has the integrity to do the necessary self reflection, it's bloody good to see her hypocrisy held to account so publicly.

theOtherPamAyres · 13/03/2019 01:42

What have women done to deserve Maria Miller as the lead of a Parliamentary Select Committee on Women?

Miller came to my attention during the MP's expenses scandal of 2009. I'll give a link to the section in Wikipedia, but in brief she claimed £90,000 for a house in which in parents resided, as her second home.

When the house came to be sold, she 'flipped' it, saying it was her main residence, to avoid paying Capital Gains Tax on the £1 million pound profit.

She failed to answer questions from investigators. She threatened journalists who reported on the story. Her apology to Parliament took 32 seconds and did not include a 'sorry'. Under pressure, she resigned from the cabinet and Minister for Culture, Women and Equality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Miller#Expenses_claims

After a short break in the wilderness, she was given the consolation prize of the Women and Equality Select Committee in 2015.

That's how much the Conservative government values Women.

Smotheroffive · 13/03/2019 01:55

God this explains loads...traitor

What's the point in asking for grc, when it doesn't indicate sex transition from male genitalia to female vulvoplasty?

nauticant · 13/03/2019 08:11

There could be transsexuals who would be committed to the surgery but cannot go ahead with it because of medical reasons. Which means that while the surgery does not have to be an absolute, the assessment around the provision of a GRC is of paramount importance.

If there's one thing that to me is worse than having GRCs, it would be having them as a prize that can only be obtained through sex reassignment surgery. It would push some people to go down that route who otherwise wouldn't.

To me this confirms what I believed years ago. Giving out a certificate that says someone has changed their sex when such a thing is an impossibility is the wrong way to deal with this.

EweSurname · 13/03/2019 08:22

Maria_Miller
@MariaMillerUK
Main recommendations of
@Commonswomequ
2015 Trans Inquiry was
@Govt_Equality
should tackle trans discrimination in public services particularly
@NHSuk
-Govt should focus on trans discrimination that’s already against Equality Act law & admit prioritising changing GRA was mistake

mobile.twitter.com/MariaMillerUK/status/1105742848652181504

hackmum · 13/03/2019 08:31

Melroses - from the 2017 Independent interview with Miller:

'But, while they were largely silent on the issue, the former Culture secretary said she was taken aback by the “extraordinary” hostility from a minority of women “purporting to be feminists”.'

Isn't it encouraging to see that Twitter thread, though? A year or two ago, there wouldn't have been that many people willing to speak out. People are gaining courage.

Popchyk · 13/03/2019 08:31

Looks like Miller is trying very hard to distance herself from self-ID.

Interesting.

Problem with tackling "trans discrimination" instead is that the trans lobby are going after every single female single-sex service (and applying huge pressure on them to admit biological males) under the guise of "trans discrimination".

"Trans discrimination" is just another phrase for self-ID with no exceptions. They won't need to change the law if they can force every service provider into admitting males into female spaces.

I'm not sure that Maria Miller entirely understands the basic issues. Even now.

Persifleur · 13/03/2019 08:31

nauticant
Giving out a certificate that says someone has changed their sex when such a thing is an impossibility is the wrong way to deal with this.

Yes. It has irreparably shaped how people think.

Melroses · 13/03/2019 08:51

Thankyou hackmum - I wondered where it was from. There have been other references to women, who are standing up for women's rights, as somehow not being the proper feminists from other politicians too.

It seems to be a recurring theme. I wonder where they got that idea from.

It is telling that they were surprised by the wide range of women that replied to the consultation.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 13/03/2019 08:54

People on that twitter thread asking Miller to own up and join them are delusional, that's not going to happen.
Deny, block, deny.

Sexnotgender · 13/03/2019 08:56

Re India Knight, I’ve seen her post vaguely GC stuff before.

FemalePersonator · 13/03/2019 08:58

The sight of Maria Miller getting it in the neck on Twitter has filled me with joy.

Popchyk · 13/03/2019 09:10

This was the level of analysis in the Transgender Enquiry, regarding prisons.

Transgender Equality Committee Minutes

Chair (Maria Miller): It is quite interesting. When we reviewed the evidence that was given to us, there appeared to be a level of cynicism around perhaps some who are in transition and whether that is something that is a true reflection of where they are as individuals or whether the motivation lies elsewhere. I was quite astonished at that quite acute level of cynicism.

Professor Brookes (forensic psychologist): That reflects what is in society. Prisons just mirror what is within society. What is reported in the press could be a discontented member of the prison staff reporting that and developing those issues.

So they clearly had evidence from people working with offenders suggesting that some inmates were faking it basically. James Barrett from the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists specifically talks about the reasons why inmates would assume a transgender status. James Barrett evidence

So Maria Miller decides that this evidence is to be dismissed entirely. Just like that.

And of course there was no talk about the impact on women prisoners whatsoever. Wasn't even discussed.

LangCleg · 13/03/2019 09:17

I'm reading that document and it's shocking stuff. I've never read it before.

God this explains loads

I would suggest advance searching on here and reading some of the dozens of threads about the production of the Maria Miller report. (Sorry, don't have time this morning, but R0 may show up with her usual panache!)

Written evidence was provided by many groups when the call went out. Maria Miller called no women's groups to give follow-up evidence in person to the committee, only TRA groups.

These groups included ATH - the people with the maniac manifesto and represented to the committee by Jess Bradley, who we now know is facing allegations of flashing at work and in public, posting paedophile porn on a personal blog, and sexually inappropriate behaviour bordering, according to accounts, on harassment.

Here is the written evidence supplied by Dr James Barrett of the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists:

data.parliament.uk/WrittenEvidence/CommitteeEvidence.svc/EvidenceDocument/Women%20and%20Equalities/Transgender%20Equality/written/19532.html

It included this:

The converse is the ever-increasing tide of referrals of patients in prison serving long or indeterminate sentences for serious sexual offences. These vastly outnumber the number of prisoners incarcerated for more ordinary, non-sexual, offences. It has been rather naïvely suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case. There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this. These vary from the opportunity to have trips out of prison through to a desire for a transfer to the female estate (to the same prison as a co-defendant) through to the idea that a parole board will perceive somebody who is female as being less dangerous through to a [false] belief that hormone treatment will actually render one less dangerous through to wanting a special or protected status within the prison system and even (in one very well evidenced case that a highly concerned Prison Governor brought particularly to my attention) a plethora of prison intelligence information suggesting that the driving force was a desire to make subsequent sexual offending very much easier, females being generally perceived as low risk in this regard. I am sure that the Governor concerned would be happy to talk about this.

He was not invited to give evidence in person to the committee and his evidence did not appear in the report.

Had what he said been given consideration, it's entirely likely the prison service would have not amended its trans policy in the way it did and Karen White would not have assaulted women prisoners.

Maria Miller's arrogant handling of this report and her wholesale dismissing of the concerns about the impact on women and children have done incalculable damage. It was her responsibility to curb extremist pressure groups. She did not. She is more to blame for where we currently are than almost any other person in the country.

LangCleg · 13/03/2019 09:19

If anybody wants to compare the written evidence supplied with those invited by Miller to give oral evidence to the committee, they can do it here:

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/inquiries/parliament-2015/transgender-equality/publications/

Perfectly clear who was ignored - anyone who had anything to say that might have prevented half the disasters we're now dealing with.

Popchyk · 13/03/2019 09:21

Kathleen Stock replies:

twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1105755290337767425

"So, Maria, you’re say that the very first policy recommendation on page 1, in the document ‘Summary’, was not, in fact, to be understood as a ‘main recommendation’? Interesting comms tactic. Should we in fact be reading the pages of the report in reverse order?"

Datun · 13/03/2019 09:24

Had what he said been given consideration, it's entirely likely the prison service would have not amended its trans policy in the way it did and Karen White would not have assaulted women prisoners.

And they would now not be looking at spending millions of pounds on trans specific wings. Because they cannot untie themselves and go backwards from the mess she put them in.