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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maria Miller on Twitter

181 replies

MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 12/03/2019 21:59

twitter.com/MariaMillerUK/status/1105568497516642306?s=19

Maria is getting absolutely ratioed here if anybody is on Twitter I would pop over there and have a look it's a joyous thing to behold

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EweSurname · 13/03/2019 13:42

Very begrudgingly, I will say that in response to Guiliana claiming it was a vicious pile-on, Maria Miller did say that she had no issue with people challenging the report (this was followed by deflection and I think untruths but that's not surprising)

Maria_Miller
@MariaMillerUK
I have no issue with people challenging cross party @Commonswomequ Report-unfortunately sometimes this becomes personal attack-but Select Committee scrutiny of Govt should not be confused with Governments inadequate response which focussed on GRA not stopping discrimination

Bluestitch · 13/03/2019 13:42

Someone has just pointed out that the list of those who gave evidence to the committee has more flashers on it than women's groups.

BorneBackCeaselesslyIntoThePas · 13/03/2019 13:46

After reading that Twitter thread...

Popcorn anyone?

WokerThanWoke · 13/03/2019 13:51

Flashers rights are human rights.

OvaHere · 13/03/2019 13:55

God she is really doubling down in the face of no one buying it.

I love how the tweets she is singling out for reply make her look really bad. She'd be better off ignoring them if she's viewing this as a PR exercise.

Major fail.

DoctoressPlague · 13/03/2019 13:57

But they were gender-variant flashers. I assume they were OK'd by the Soul Scanner.

EweSurname · 13/03/2019 13:57

Ooh Miller has said to ask Penny Morduant whether plans for GRA have been shelved as it's not her remit

Needmoresleep · 13/03/2019 13:58

Could that odd noise be the sound of the penny finally dropping....

I wonder how Penny will respond. Will she get back to us with some answers?

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 13/03/2019 13:59

Wow, she is getting ROASTED!

Popchyk · 13/03/2019 14:07

There were only two women's groups who submitted written evidence. And no women's groups were invited to appear before the committee, unlike the trans groups which were invited to appear.

Both Rape Crisis and Women's Aid rely on government funding, which I think is a crucial point.

Look at the way the final report is framed.

Report

The only evidence referred to in the report was by Women's Aid, and the transgender groups were given much leeway to respond to WA's submission, using very emotive language.

  1. The Explanatory Notes to the Act give the following illustration: A counsellor working with victims of rape might have to be a woman and not a transsexual person, even if she has a Gender Recognition Certificate, in order to avoid causing them further distress.

Women’s Aid told us that: In recognition of Women’s Aid’s status as the provider of services to, and promoting the welfare of women only, Women’s Aid has chosen to exercise its right under the Equality Act 2010 […] to apply the Gender Reassignment exception to employment posts within the organisation. This policy is under review.

  1. We heard unequivocal opposition to this provision. The Scottish Transgender Alliance told us that they wished to see it repealed: as well as violating trans people’s article 8 human right to privacy [under the ECHR] about their gender reassignment history, [it] is generally unworkable because the only way anyone could prove beyond doubt that they had not undergone gender reassignment would be to submit to an unacceptably intrusive medical examination.

  2. The Alliance also advocated the introduction of a legal provision allowing for certain posts, “perhaps where providing support specifically to trans people”, to be available only to trans people, “as exists for other protected characteristics”.

  3. Mridul Wadhwa told us that the provision was: discriminatory to transsexual people especially trans women. I genuinely believe that there is no space for it in the gender-based violence sector and that it has no place in violence against women work. I was unaware of its existence until a few weeks ago. I have worked in the violence against women sector since 2005 and have never known for it to be used. I am disappointed to think that someone has the right to refuse work to me and others like me in my sector just because they think that I might not be a woman.

nauticant · 13/03/2019 14:08

This to me is the most eye-catching response:

I have no issue with people challenging cross party @Commonswomequ Report-unfortunately sometimes this becomes personal attack-but Select Committee scrutiny of Govt should not be confused with Governments inadequate response which focussed on GRA not stopping discrimination

She really wants to make sure someone else ends up holding this particularly ill-favoured baby.

Threewheeler1 · 13/03/2019 14:12

She's really showcasing just how slippery she is. Please continue MM.
'It wasn't me' isn't fooling anyone.

OvaHere · 13/03/2019 14:13

Christ. One of the TRAs has tried to use the fox/henhouse analogy with women as the foxes and TW as hens. Ha ha ha. So much delusion.

Sorry mate but that analogy only works one way and it doesn't favour you.

Trousering · 13/03/2019 14:14

I've long thought the entire strategy for VAWG provision turns entirely on the hurt feelings of Mridul Wadhwa captured above in 130.

Everything has to be subordinated to this one person's validation.

Popchyk · 13/03/2019 14:15

What is going on though?

Maria Miller has said next to nothing about this for 2 years.

And now she's dashed off a dozen tweets in rapid succession.

Summat is up, that's for sure.

Bluestitch · 13/03/2019 14:15

Really? Makes one wonder why they are desperate to get in the foxes spaces then!

Needmoresleep · 13/03/2019 14:16

Why now? Tory leadership election?

Melroses · 13/03/2019 14:17

I can't believe she retweeted Guiliana. What sort of advice do they get - can't see Sir Humphrey advising that, or Malcolm.

OvaHere · 13/03/2019 14:20

Good point Popchyk

Make me wonder what Penny will eventually come back with. If any of them do indeed have any political nouse then I suspect they can see a Special Inquiry on the horizon. Too much stuff is blowing up left, right and centre for that not to be the eventual outcome.

As another poster said this is the very beginnings of the back peddling and blame shifting. Miller in my opinion is trying to get out ahead of it.

Trousering · 13/03/2019 14:25

Miller must be getting the knife in first so that Mourdant will have to point elsewhere to assign blame for giving her duff info about men being women. They will will be scouring the House of Commons to find a Tory that will say they ever believed it.

It will all be down to Layla Moran to stick up for looking in to the eyes 👀

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 13/03/2019 14:25

What is going on though?

Separate prison wings for male transpeople, lots of publicity for women's sport, I'm I imagining that there is a review of single sex wards in the nhs?

It's finally dawning on the government that people do notice sex.

Bluestitch · 13/03/2019 14:26

Maybe they are kicking self ID into touch and burying with Brexit? Wishful thinking I know!

Trousering · 13/03/2019 14:31

Didn't they promise feedback on the GRA consultation in the spring?

I bet it is drafts of that prompting this sudden outburst of repositioning.

Smotheroffive · 13/03/2019 14:33
Smotheroffive · 13/03/2019 14:38

I am disappointed to think that someone has the right to refuse work to me and others like me in my sector just because they think that I might not be a woman

That, is such a familiar noise from men....
Someone is not holding the right beliefs at the heart of key working in the vawg sector.
They surely must believe that women are not really scared of men. So, we're back to women not being believed. A campaign run by MN, just saying, for a friend....