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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is the penis doing the pap smear?? No?? Then SHUT THE FUCK UP transphobe

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Lolasaurous · 09/03/2019 17:04

mobile.twitter.com/Indy_Leya/status/1103762317613953041

Rachel McKinnon

Is the penis doing the pap smear?? No?? Then SHUT THE FUCK UP transphobe
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OldCrone · 09/03/2019 22:50

Where did RM get the data about heights? I just googled for "olympic athletes height" and got this:

www.theguardian.com/sport/datablog/interactive/2012/aug/07/olympic-athletes-age-weight-height

RM could have saved 4 hours and done some more tweeting instead.

LizzieSiddal · 09/03/2019 22:50

The only upside of this fucking disgusting Tweet, is they are showing the whole world who they really are. RM has already been warned by their employers about something they previously Tweeted, let’s hope this one gets them the sack.

Voice0fReason · 09/03/2019 22:53

Such a scumbag.
Thinks that the only person who matters is the trans nurse/dr and it's the patient's job to validate them.

Scatobrain · 09/03/2019 22:54

If the McKinnon thing loses its apparently work-free job, it will be living on its wits.

Should do well.

MaFleur · 09/03/2019 22:55

I too am blocked. I actually have no idea why but am a little bit chuffed.

LizzieSiddal · 09/03/2019 22:56

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dragoning · 09/03/2019 22:57

Women don't have to justify why they declined a particular male HCP for their smear test. Doesn't matter whether the male in question is a transwoman - like Rachel - or not.

HCPs centre the medical need of the patient, not themselves. My lovely, very professional male gynaecologist doesn't tell women to 'shut the fuck up' if they request his female colleague. Because he's not rapey and because that would be really quite weird and aggressive.

CoolCarrie · 09/03/2019 22:59

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FermatsTheorem · 09/03/2019 23:01

The BBC and Specialized.

Screengrabs of that tweet need to appear on both their twitter feeds. Screengrabs, not links, so the creepy little so-and-so can't delete later.

MhairiV · 09/03/2019 23:07

Has anyone ever managed to elicit a response from RM on what a woman actually is? Or what RM believes a woman to be? Other than a "me, I'm one" sort of thing?

Iused2BanOptimist · 09/03/2019 23:13

I honestly don't understand why a trans hcp would ever be doing smear tests. Most GP surgeries (and presumably gum clinics etc) have multiple employees. One nurse might specialise in doing the asthma clinics or the diabetes. Someone else might do a phlebotomy list. Obviously there's lots of general stuff too. I would expect that one or two nurses would do a regular Pap smear session. Surely they would make sure it was a female nurse who had that particular responsibility and find other areas for the trans hcp to specialise in. Most male nurses would run a mile from the smear list just as I have succeeded in never learning male catheterisation.
If they were particularly keen to do the smear list that would be a red flag to me. Unless, I suppose, the whole practice was so woke they were oblivious to the evidence of their eyes and TWAW etc.

Persifleur · 09/03/2019 23:23

Well, exactly: what kind of TW volunteers to do smear tests and do you want that sort of person anywhere near you when you're in a state of vulnerability? Either they are just insensitive or they are something worse...

Persifleur · 09/03/2019 23:29

Um, I'll probably get deleted for that last remark - but is it just me or is there a marked absence of a certain kind of traffic on these boards this Saturday night? Or have I spoken too soon?

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 09/03/2019 23:36

My lovely, very professional male gynaecologist doesn't tell women to 'shut the fuck up' if they request his female colleague. Because he's not rapey and because that would be really quite weird and aggressive.

The problem is women need to know the correct words to use. If we request a women, what does that mean? Male transpeople with a GRC can use the word female, even those without a GRC, claim to have female on their passport.

With the words women and female apparently meaning different things to different people, I don't know how anyone is supposed to request a suitable hcp with confidence.

Persifleur · 09/03/2019 23:48

Ask for someone who understands the procedure because she's undergone it herself?
Even that won't totally work, but rules out quite a lot of chancers (as well as some young women)...

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2019 00:32

Either they are just insensitive or they are something worse...

No that's a fair comment which reflects the trauma some women have due to sexual abuse or assault.

If the feelings of the HCP are more important than the patient they are in the wrong job and can do harm to a patient. Harm can be psychological as well as physical.

Failure to understand and recognise this isnt just insensitive.

Vixxxy · 10/03/2019 00:33

110% obvious misogynist.

What kind of a person would say stuff like this really..women have a right to request a woman (that is, adult human female) to do their fucking smear test.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2019 00:35

Trust is at the heart of good healthcare.

If someone feels they can not trust a HCP for any reason, that's legitimate. Particularly for intimate examinations.

Breeching that can lead to the complete breakdown of the doctor patient relation. This is not a minor thing.

Doyoumind · 10/03/2019 00:43

I came on to see if there was a thread on McKinnon's graphs which I've just seen on Twitter. I see there have been a few mentions here. I've looked at them all and I can only see data that says men have more testosterone, are taller and heavier. So what if there is an overlap? It still shows a massive difference between men and women or am I missing something?

barelove · 10/03/2019 00:59

Is the penis doing the pap smear?? No?? He's just writing the tweets Grin

HerFemaleness · 10/03/2019 01:03

It still shows a massive difference between men and women or am I missing something?

An ideological agenda?

HerFemaleness · 10/03/2019 01:04

barelove

Grin
Persifleur · 10/03/2019 01:18

Yes, RedToothbrush, quite agree! It's the mechanistic approach to things like smears (a lot of things, actually) that run up red flags make me uneasy, as if these people were approaching being female as a sort of algebraic substitution. Find + replace.

CatchingBabies · 10/03/2019 02:12

So smear test uptake is at an all time low and yet this idiot thinks it’s ok to discourage women from attending if they are not happy for a biological male to perform the test. You couldn’t make this up.

darceybussell · 10/03/2019 04:45

I'm pretty sure RM is just trolling now, no one is that much of a dick, and also that bloody stupid. Got to be taking the piss.