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Is the penis doing the pap smear?? No?? Then SHUT THE FUCK UP transphobe

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Lolasaurous · 09/03/2019 17:04

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Rachel McKinnon

Is the penis doing the pap smear?? No?? Then SHUT THE FUCK UP transphobe
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SparkiePolastri · 10/03/2019 05:00

Non-fundamentalist trans must surely be thinking, 'STFU dickhead, with friends like you....'.

ColeHawlins · 10/03/2019 05:41

Makes you glad not to be a philosopher (with apologies to the obvious FWRers!)

ColeHawlins · 10/03/2019 05:44

I'm pretty sure RM is just trolling now

The Rage has seized him. We were all supposed to what we were told, but it's not working and there's all kinds of pushback. So, Rage.

SophoclesTheFox · 10/03/2019 07:07

A lady should be shrill rather than aggressive, Rache, it’s ladying 101. Needs work.

zen1 · 10/03/2019 08:02

McKinnon actually accused someone who questioned the dates of the data used to inform their graph of ‘mansplaining’.

BickerinBrattle · 10/03/2019 08:21

Narcissistic rage is a thing to behold.

We don’t have to argue for ourselves and our rights. All we have to do is ask questions, express disagreement — and let what has powered this movement reveal itself.

Though in years to come, many people are going to have to ask themselves just why they let a bunch of narcissistic males into the house to rampage through the place passing in all the corners instead of saying, as stable adults should to both angry toddlers and demanding narcissists: No.

No, because what you want is not possible, not reasonable, and not fair to everyone else, and you are not the centre or the universe.

There is not a single human being on the planet who truly believes men can become women. And every single human being on the planet knows what biologicalsex is, because every single human being on the planet knows, from a fairly young age, whether or not they are of the sex that can get pregnant. Or not. There’s not a single human being on the planet who, when having sex, has to ask themselves if they are the ones who have to worry about contraception.

It’s all lies, start to finish. It’s indulgence of feeling and fantasy, perhaps for good reason at the start, but enough is enough now. Magical thinking is for children, not for medicine, and not for law, politics, do civil rights. It’s time to put away the fairy dust and work within the bounds of material reality: no man can become a woman, ever.

AnyFucker · 10/03/2019 08:33

Amen

BickerinBrattle · 10/03/2019 08:34

Pissing, not passing.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/03/2019 08:38

McKinnon actually accused someone who questioned the dates of the data used to inform their graph of ‘mansplaining’.

RM isn’t the only TRA who’s recently started using that word, almost as if they’ve only just discovered it.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/03/2019 08:40
TimeLady · 10/03/2019 08:49

I've read about narsissistic rage and NPD on here before, but it's extraordinary seeing it played out for real. McKinnon is ticking every box.

AnyFucker · 10/03/2019 08:55

Yep, classic example.

User7777 · 10/03/2019 09:34

What's so awful is that her data totally show the advantage makes have over females in sport. Yet, she's been all over the news and her 'science' (note, she's in philosophy not science) is not being challenged. Wtaf. It's like anti vaxxers or climate change deniers being given an unchallenged voice.

KataraJean · 10/03/2019 09:37

Indeed Bickerin very well said!

Thank you so much to you all for your wise and funny comments on this thread. I was churning this around last night as if I am the one who has to justify my own reactions. Of course it is okay to say no, that is the basis of consent.

dragoning · 10/03/2019 09:40

Applauding bickerin

Zutt: With the words women and female apparently meaning different things to different people, I don't know how anyone is supposed to request a suitable hcp with confidence.

YY. Thanks to the bullies, we can no longer request a female HCP with confidence. But the kicker is that - especially in a medical context - everybody knows exactly what is meant by 'female' when a woman requests a female HCP. If they get a male anyway, somebody along the line has decided to ignore what they know was meant by 'female'.

Ultimately human beings know that material reality exists and know what is meant by female, even if they pretend that they don't. All the tantrums in the world won't change that. But the tantrums might prevent women from accessing health care in the meantime.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 10/03/2019 09:48

Bickerin 👏👏👏

StephsCaddy · 10/03/2019 09:49

I’m quite enjoying watching him make a total tool of himself on social media.

frazzled1 · 10/03/2019 10:15

There is not a single human being on the planet who truly believes men can become women. And every single human being on the planet knows what biologicalsex is, because every single human being on the planet knows, from a fairly young age, whether or not they are of the sex that can get pregnant. Or not. There’s not a single human being on the planet who, when having sex, has to ask themselves if they are the ones who have to worry about contraception.

It’s all lies, start to finish. It’s indulgence of feeling and fantasy, perhaps for good reason at the start, but enough is enough now. Magical thinking is for children, not for medicine, and not for law, politics, do civil rights. It’s time to put away the fairy dust and work within the bounds of material reality: no man can become a woman, ever.

This ^

Dr Rachel McKinnon is assistant professor of philosophy at the College of Charleston in South Carolina.

Dr M has published/is working on philosophy papers:

The Epistemology of Propaganda
Transformative Experience
The Supportive Reasons Norm of Assertion

From The Epistemology of Propaganda

In this discussion note, I use Stanley’s account of propaganda to analyze a modern form of propaganda where so-called trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs) are engaged in a political project to deny that trans women are women—and thereby to exclude trans women from women-only spaces, services, and protections. I will focus on two insights gained from this. First, Stanley’s account of propaganda usefully illuminates how the ‘arguments’ of TERFs constitute propaganda, crucially based on a flawed ideology...

...With that in place, I can turn now to some examples of TERF propaganda. First, as already noted, the idea that granting trans women access to women-only spaces—such as bathrooms, changing rooms, shelters and rape relief centers, colleges, music festivals, mentorship programs, sports, and so on—constitutes rape. I take it as now well-established that trans women are women. Full stop. Thus, the flawed ideology (to return to Stanley’s analysis) at the heart of this propaganda is that trans women are men.

Is the penis doing the pap smear?? No?? Then SHUT THE FUCK UP transphobe
AncientLights · 10/03/2019 10:20

Most or even all GP surgeries in the UK have patient groups, so we could join those and feedback to them any concerns about this.

Of course McK has no inking about women's feelings, not possible is it? For me, it would be mammograms - if I went to a routine one and found a male-born person proposing to do it, I'd leave immediately. NHS info on it says staff are all women, but if they put men who feel like women on women's hospital wards, who knows? And I'd have to question why a transwoman would want to work in that area with all the handling of breasts it involves. Massive red flags and klaxons going off. Plenty of other areas to work in.

beagadorsrock · 10/03/2019 11:21

The tweet with the dox is
twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1104074727080034304
I can't report it as am blocked (opened on a different browser)

Talking as someone vaguely in the humanities field, I thought the height of disruption we could have was twits like Boris Johnson believing they understood life because they knew some Homer. But these philosopher/sociologists are really going for broke on the ol' science...

ps - the first thing I notice - so very few allies turn out not to be trans themselves. Where has the world done that they think THEY can make societal rules about THEMselves? Immediately discountable lack of objectivity.

Bowlofbabelfish · 10/03/2019 11:51

If a penis was doing the Pap smear, Rachel, it would be rape.

So your tweet reads ‘you should allow rape, and if it’s not rape, quit complaining.’

Nice. Just absolutely lovely.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 10/03/2019 15:22

take it as now well-established that trans women are women.

Wholly respect your right to your faith/beliefs.

I don't share them. As is my equal right.

MhairiV · 10/03/2019 15:31

I take it as now well-established that trans women are women.

RM can keep saying it but it's not getting any more true, and no amount of bullying will change that fundamental, biological fact.

GeorgeFayne · 10/03/2019 15:43

Hmm...anyone contemplating an email to McKinnon's department chair? I hate to take a page out of the TRA playbook, but I genuinely think McKinnon is starting to lose it here. That picture! THAT PICTURE! Clearly unwell and in considering the rape Tweet, I think this person is close to having a complete mental health break.

Handay · 10/03/2019 15:49

Well, obviously transwomen are women, which is why this headcase has spent the best part of a day collating statistics about physical differences between men and women, rather than the physical differences between women and women. Confused