Bloody hell BBC

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Reading the BBC news online this morning and there is not one, but two stories about transgender people. One promoting the transition of a small child, and the other promoting sport for transgender athletes. The latter in particular looks like a direct attempt to counter the news discussion over the last few days in sport.

This isn’t news, it’s wartime propaganda.

SarahH12, the guidelines are pinned at the top of this section. If you keep using banned terms, you risk a deletion and a strike, and three strikes leads to a suspension. Them's the rules. So annoying to have your speech policed, eh?

Dysphoria is not a requirement for s trans identity.

Yes fair enough that was badly worded on my part. I'm exhausted after no sleep for 2 nights in a row. I fully believe in supporting all who are struggling with any personal trans related issues and as I've said numerous times that includes exploring all options, not just those that feel less uncomfortable for others.

There seems to be a higher than average % of trans employees at the BBC, according to figures. I'd be interested to know how many of them have selfID'd, how many are AGP types, and what positions of influence they hold

I have no idea as to what % of BBC employees id as trans

However I have noticed that, when I have attempted to whistleblow at various statutory organisations re appalling abuses of vulnerable people I end up being "reassured" by people who appear to be trans working in positions of authority.

I am not claiming that these people are bad people, or even knowingly corrupt.

I suspect that what may be happening is that diversity training and diversity employment policies are resulting in people from minorities (including trans people) being placed in positions of power and authority in order to influence society as part of a programme of social engineering.

There are some extremely controversial spiritual and personal development organisations (many are considered dangerous religious cults) that have used diversity policies to exert influence in the public sector.

Some interfaith organisations appear to simply be coalitions of controversial cults with long histories of abuse allegations, criminal indictments etc.

The situation is delicate and sensitive, as the people themselves in positions of authority may not realise the extent to which they are vulnerable and have been influenced by actors with malicious intentions.

Of approx 20,000 approx 417 are trans.

BBC Equality Information Report 2018

2.5% of all staff identify as transgender at the BBC. That rises to 2.8% of senior management roles.

And a hefty 4.1% in the Commissioning Department identify as transgender.

Around 1% of BBC staff identify as lesbian. And obviously that could include some men. Because it is 2019. And it is the BBC.

-Around 1% of BBC staff identify as lesbian. And obviously that could include some men. Because it is 2019. And it is the BBC.

"transphobic and backwards"

I wish I had a fiver for every time someone said that to me over the past few months, simply because I pointed out biological differences between the sexes.

I wish I had a fiver for every time someone said that to me over the past few months, simply because I pointed out biological differences between the sexes.

Indeed. That could fund lawyers to sort this crap out in the courts, once and for all.

And a hefty 4.1% in the Commissioning Department identify as transgender.

Wow.

Sarah I think the vast majority of people posting here want to help protect people who are struggling with personal issues, and fighting against discrimination and abuse.
It is the case that a lot of those people are women. And what we want to do is to ensure women have the rights and protections of single-sex spaces.
If a male wants to identify as a woman, that's fine. They then have the protections of the law to ensure they are not discriminated against because they take on a gender identity that doesn't match their sex.
But we don't have to believe it, or give up single sex spaces to them.
I can and will say, all day long, trans women are trans women, trans men are trans men. People cannot change sex and women & girls need sex-specific protections and rights.

I can and will say, all day long, trans women are trans women, trans men are trans men. People cannot change sex and women & girls need sex-specific protections and rights.

This. For me it also matters to leave out that gap after trans to emphasise that transwomen are not a subset of women, nor transmen a subset of men. They have their own unique identity, valid, but different.

In the light of the thread about Transgender Trend's screenshots from a group for parents of Trans Children (www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3531622-4thWaveNow-has-some-incredibly-disturbing-stuff-from-Facebook), the BBC's acceptance that Autumn's mother knows what's best for Autumn just looks like willful collusion in abuse to me

FFS, messed up the link

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3531622-4thWaveNow-has-some-incredibly-disturbing-stuff-from-Facebook

And in other BBC news.....woman wears clothes:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47244727

This is such an old hat. Cindy Sherman has been doing something similar for ages. No one cares.

The scary thing is that this woman seriously considered medical transition.

I wonder if the BBC have a quota of these kinds of stories that they have to produce because this really is a non-story.

Cindy Sherman does it sooooo much better.

Wtf is it with drag at the mo?

She says:
I feel like it's definitely becoming a more acceptable thing, not having to be like "you're a boy, you need to be like this; or you're a girl, you need to be like this".

Did the 20th century completely pass her by? I suppose it did in a way if she's only 25, but she needs to look at what people were doing 40 years ago.

What the heck is 'dressed like a guy'?
Guy Fawkes?

Jeans, boots, jumper? That's what I'm wearing now, perhaps I'm actually a man...

BBC online news has been as compelling as TakeABreak for a few years now.

So the "biased" BBC reported on the transgender sport article:

"Professor John Brewer, professor of applied sport science at St Mary's University, told BBC Radio 5 Live: "Whether we like it or not, genetically the very best males will nearly always beat the very best females in most sports where physicality is critical.

"If you have those physical and physiological characteristics of a male athlete and you are competing in a female environment, then you will inevitably do extremely well and have an advantage."

Brewer says males "tend to have more testosterone" that stimulates muscle growth and their "legacy physiology" (larger heart and lungs) does not necessarily change despite the transition process.

He added: "So, inevitably, when you go into high-performance sport, where the difference between success and failure is quite small, that 'legacy physiology' alongside the muscle growth testosterone creates will give, almost inevitably, transgender athletes/individuals a physiological and indeed a performance advantage."

And on the transgender child article:

"She adds: "At this moment in time, Autumn is very settled into living as a female and, when she talks about the future and her dreams, it's about being a mother and getting married to the man of her dreams.

"I can't say 100% whether I think Autumn will remain female past puberty; there could be a change when hormones kick in.

"But at this moment in time I have a daughter that I'm proud of and will do everything I can to support and help make her wishes come true.

Not sure what point you're trying to make with your last post there, DadJoke.

What's your opinion of people who tell their children that they can change sex? Do you have children? Is that something you tell them? Do you think a nine-year old boy should be told he can become a mother?

What do you think 'living as a female' means for a nine-year-old child?

So her former son, Autumn, has become a daughter but may change back into a son again when hormones kick in. And then? Presumably back to a daughter in time to be a beautiful blushing bride and prospective mother? I can see a bit of a problem there, if Autumn marries the man of her dreams - who’s going to conceive and carry the baby?

Or am I just missing something? Again? And not to mention the whole misgendering thing, if that’s going to be an actual crime, then it’s going to be a bugger to stay on the right side of the law if it’s just subject to change at every life stage.

I just can’t keep up any more. Every time, I think I’ve got some tiny part what they’re saying, not agreeing with any of it, but vaguely seeing where they’re coming from iykwim. Then, they just pull the rug and I’m back where I started, flat on my arse with a circle of tiny bluebirds chirping and fluttering around my head.

old crone

The point I was making is that this is reportage, not “wartime propaganda.”

Yes, I have children. If they were younger I would talk to them about gender expression, sexuality, gender stereotypes, gender dysphoria and what it means to be transgender. That girls can climb trees and boys can wear make up. I would use watch and wait.

If you believed in gender identity, it would make sense that if you know you are a girl, then adopting the common gender expression if girls would reify your gender and make it easier for others to accept you.

I would not accept it at face value and say “yes you are a girl.”