Compulsory trans lessons in primary schools: what will this involve?

[Lumene]

Does anyone know who will be teaching or writing the trans part of this curriculum and what it will cover?

Given the cod science and lack of/outright hostility to safeguarding concerns of many of the lobby groups who have been teaching in schools I am really concerned about this.

What does the government think primary school children need to know about trans issues and for what purpose? Will they consult with organisations such as Transgender Trend, WPUK, FPFW?

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gay-and-trans-lessons-for-primary-schools-7nd8tgqcw

So age approprite for primary school is explicit that
boys who want to wear dresses are girls
girls who don't want to wear dresses are boys

wtf do dresses have to do with ANYTHING
they are an item of clothing CURRENTLY coded female but many many women never or rarely wear dresses
dresses are always worn by extremely feminine women in stories ie princesses which is the age group this is aimed at

i went to fuck knows how many parties when the kids were young where all teh girls were in disney dresses and all the boys were superheroes

it made me very uncomfotable

but fact is boys and girls of this age LAP UP sex stereotypes

and they will NOT "get" from these stories whatveer the fuck it is the authors think they will

I would also recommend watching this as it focuses on parental responsibility

There does need to be discussion and teaching in school but extremely carefully done.

I wish there were some proper careful safeguarding guidelines around this.

This is the Ks1 lesson. It's marginally better in that it looks at differences and that it's ok to be different. However, in the story a teddy - boy as his bow is on his neck as a bow tie - becomes a girl teddy and moves the bow to his hair. (Her hair).

Written by the daughter of a late transitioning TW.

equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2016/10/transgender-awareness-ks1.html

Plenary: What was Thomas worried about? What does Errol say when Tilly says she knows in her heart that she is a girl teddy? (Errol says, “I don’t care if you’re a girl teddy or a boy teddy! What matters to me is that you are my friend!”) Does this change their friendship?
What can we learn from Errol?

KS1

What do we learn from 'Errol'?

but boy children and girl children care very much as the pecking order male / female hierarchy is already firmly in place even at young primary school with boys often not wanting to play with girls, taking all space in playground etc

boys this age are well aware that them and their "stuff" is superior

generalising obviously

for those who disagree

you try giving a boy aged about 6 a plate to eat off with sparkle fairies on it and see how that pans out for you
and how quick the other parents are to correct the terrible situaion

At KS1, it should be no more than Some families might be different to yours and that's okay. Some people might look different to you and that's okay. Nobody should ever be bullied just for being different.

You'll notice that none of these "progressive" primary resources address the needs of girls, which you'd think would be an urgent priority given the rising levels of sexual harassment, abuse and even assault at this age. There are no questions such as:

Why might girls need privacy?

No mention of early periods, early breast development or anything like that. No telling boys what inappropriate behaviour on these topics look like.

Nope. Not a dicky bird.

I will definitely be withdrawing my children from these lessons. This is gender stereotype reinforcing bollocks. I've already made it clear to my children's headteacher that I have concerns around the teaching of trans issues in primary schools. I'm fucking livid about this!

I am concerned to see how this guidance to schools is presented because I think the government are going to have a lot of pushback from parents if their plan is to force compulsory unevidenced wokery and suspend normal safeguarding and enforce personal boundary erosions on to kids at primary school.

That’s for sure.

You'll notice that none of these "progressive" primary resources address the needs of girls, which you'd think would be an urgent priority given the rising levels of sexual harassment, abuse and even assault at this age. There are no questions such as: why might girls need privacy?

So true. And seriously concerning given the drastic rise in mental health issues amongst girls.

Another lesson plan for primary school children, using "Are you a boy or are you a girl?" By Sarah Savage and Fox Fisher

equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2015/10/transgender-equality-are-you-boy-or-are.html

Put word Transgender on board – what does this mean? Give definition as “When a person is born they are assigned a gender. For a transgender person the gender they have been assigned does not match how they feel inside. So someone who is told they are a boy feels like they are a girl, or someone who is told they are a girl, feels like they are a boy”

No explanation of what it means to 'feel like a girl' or 'feel like a boy'. I still don't understand how someone can 'feel like' something they are not, and why that should be of any importance to anyone.

Another lesson plan for primary school children, using "Are you a boy or are you a girl?" By Sarah Savage and Fox Fisher

Does Sarah Savage or Fox Fisher have any teaching, child deveopment or Safeguarding credentials?

The recent thread discussing Fox & Owls 'Teen Survival Skills' identifies significant concerns re a lack of Safeguarding knowledge and its likely impact on vulnerable children:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3509672-Trans-Teen-Survival-Guide-by-Fox-and-Owl

@OldCrone Do you know what age children that lesson plan is aimed at?

oldcrone

just read that to dh and started going it's not logical it makes no sense it can only mean stereotypes i mean it's nonsense

and i realised how all this feels

like when jim kirk goes on at a computer that's gone rogue on star trek and tells it conflicting info that sounds resonable on surface until it explodes

that is how i feel

i always wanted to be spock anyway. he wouldn't have any truck with this.

HandsOff: He even patronised me that I shouldn't believe what I read in the media about the Challenors and Bradley!!!!

So your child's head teacher does not take seriously a guilty verdict in a court of law according to which a jury found beyond reasonable doubt that Challenor senior was guilty of the rape, imprisonment and torture of a child? I would be getting in touch with Ofsted, the LEA and the governors at this point, because this man is clearly not safe to be entrusted with child safeguarding.

I don't know, Quilliam. It says it's for primary age children, but then goes onto equalities legislation and protected characteristics. So I assume it's not aimed at 5-year-olds.

Amazon says the book is for children aged 3+, and it's a 28-page picture book, which looks as though it's aimed at very young children, so I'm really confused about who this lesson plan is actually aimed at.

QuilliamCakespeare, hard to tell. I thought SEAL was primary. He's a primary teacher, hence teaching through children's books.

Possibly y5/6

SEAL:

SEAL Outcomes: Getting on and falling out: I try to recognise when I or other people are prejudging people and I make an effort to overcome my assumptions/ I know how it can feel to be excluded or treated badly because of being different

SEAL was the previous curriculum under Labour.

webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110812101121/nsonline.org.uk/node/87009

Possibly y5/6

Why would you use a book written for children aged 3+ to teach children aged 9-11?

Oh no, I can't have DS sit in one of these lessons 🙈 Mainly because thanks to "squaddie" dad and his mates they have taught DS the rather unsavoury term of "chick with a dick".

To cut a long story short, some of the men from the regiment had not long come back from Thailand. We were round a friend's married quarter having drinks and a meal, and the men were in the living room us women in the kitchen chatting, when my DS and another boy ran up to us and asked "mum what's a chick with a dick?" They had been eavesdropping from the stairs...well we tried to explain best we could that it was not the correct term, but he's well aware of it and at only 5 years of age with no filter this is going to come flying out of his mouth!!!

Fuck, I don't even know what to do, so it doesn't happen!! 😳

I need to add I'm guessing y5/6 as I clicked on arrows that led to the next resource or two that was for y5/6.

But yes, quite.

but fact is boys and girls of this age LAP UP sex stereotypes

I always remember my little brother, at 4 years old, totally, truly and honestly believed that men did not flush the toilet.

He really, really believed this and I did not know until I cruelly made him flush the toilet after himself, and his world fell apart

He grew up to be a high flying executive with a Masters who always flushes toilets

I can't work out if "I try to recognise when I or other people are prejudging people and I make an effort to overcome my assumptions/ I know how it can feel to be excluded or treated badly because of being different" is his own objective to fit the book/ lesson or from SEAL.

You can write objectives to suit what ever you want.

Give definition as “When a person is born they are assigned a gender. For a transgender person the gender they have been assigned does not match how they feel inside. So someone who is told they are a boy feels like they are a girl, or someone who is told they are a girl, feels like they are a boy”

I object strongly to this being taught to children. When a person is born they are not "assigned a gender", their sex is observed. Honestly, this is a hill I'm prepared to die on as a school governor and if I were a headteacher I'd be saying the fucking same.

It's indoctrination of a belief system.

Website with links to the books and 'No Outsiders' program by Andrew Moffat. Amazon has some open access to the books.
There is also a section with links and resources.

There's much that's good within the program and resources however despite being based around the Equality Act 2010 where sex is a protected characteristic, Moffat and many resources conflate sex with gender /gender identity.

It would be a shame to 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' but there is a need for careful nuanced evaluation of the program which has a blindspot with regards sex/sexism.

From links, Moffat comments, 'Stonewall . Excellent resource, well worth keeping up to date with.'

www.equalitiesprimary.com/about-us.html