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Compulsory trans lessons in primary schools: what will this involve?

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Lumene · 24/02/2019 09:02

Does anyone know who will be teaching or writing the trans part of this curriculum and what it will cover?

Given the cod science and lack of/outright hostility to safeguarding concerns of many of the lobby groups who have been teaching in schools I am really concerned about this.

What does the government think primary school children need to know about trans issues and for what purpose? Will they consult with organisations such as Transgender Trend, WPUK, FPFW?

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gay-and-trans-lessons-for-primary-schools-7nd8tgqcw

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Lumene · 24/02/2019 10:05

Have they published the results of the consultation? I filled it in, as did many of us on this board. I would be interested to see the responses.

Good question. How do we find out?

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/02/2019 10:09

I would complain. I have gay relatives and homosexuality has never been ‘a thing’ to me growing up. These fuckers would have had my sister on drugs and the brain bleach from a very early age so I have absolutely no trick with it. Plus the absolute bile and nonsense spouted plus basic lack of human biology facts is staggering.

Nasty bullying men.

Why don’t they just have a few flat earthers and conspiracy theory nuts in along with the good folks who believe the bible is a literal fact?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 24/02/2019 10:15

Because flat earthers are not part of an agenda to break down safeguarding.

RockyFlintstone · 24/02/2019 10:16

It’s a very clever trick, conflating trans and gay.

This.

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Lumene · 24/02/2019 10:18

It all really depends on what they teach and who teaches it.

If Debbie Hayton came to give a talk at my child’s school about trans issues I wouldn’t be so worried. Although I equally wouldn’t see why this needed to be a compulsory part of the curriculum.

If Mermaids or Stonewall are proposing to teach kids cod science and that those with female bodies can’t say no to those with Male bodies - not happening.

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Thingybob · 24/02/2019 10:22

I would be taking my child out of school that day and telling them why

It's not a day thing, LGBT will be completely embedded within the PSHE curriculum.

The relevant paragraph from the draft guidance

Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about sex, sexuality, sexual health and gender identity in an age-appropriate and inclusive way. All pupils should feel that the content is relevant to them and their developing sexuality. Sexual orientation and gender identity should be explored at a timely point and in a clear, sensitive and respectful manner. When teaching about these topics,it must be recognised that young people may be discovering or coming to terms with their sexual orientation or gender identity. There should be an equal opportunity to explore the features of stable and healthy same-sex relationships. This should be integrated appropriately into the RSE programme, rather than addressed separately or in only one lesson

So what are the facts and the law about gender identity? Buggered if I know

DarjeelingDarllng · 24/02/2019 10:24

Gender stereotype identify.

Keep changing gender to gender stereotypes.

Sex v gender. Keep pointing it out.

Thingybob · 24/02/2019 10:25

Yes on here Lumene

consult.education.gov.uk/pshe/relationships-education-rse-health-education/

RockyFlintstone · 24/02/2019 10:25

And what makes it worse is all the fucking prosecco mummies who think it's all rainbows, unicorns and 'accepting difference', they're all over Facebook.

One of the 'Insta mums' recently did a post about the No Outsiders thing and oh my days some of the virtue signalling crap in the replies....

One reply was like 'oh my son asked me why my boobs are bigger and said he wants some because he wants to be a lady. Did I correct him? Of course not!'

Great love, you crack on with that Hmm

BettyDuMonde · 24/02/2019 10:26

Can we somehow insist that all schools offer an in-person information session for parents before this is implemented? Including the opportunity to review all resource materials?

RockyFlintstone · 24/02/2019 10:26

It's really pissed me off how 'gender identity' has just become totally part of any education on LGB stuff - they are totally different things.

Hayden555 · 24/02/2019 10:27

Where can the draft be found?
Does anyone have a link?
Thanks

RockyFlintstone · 24/02/2019 10:27

But I feel like if I have any objections to my kids being taught a load of absolute stereotyping bollocks about 'gender' I will just be dismissed as a homophobic bigot Sad

WeRiseUp · 24/02/2019 10:28

they are totally different things

Indeed sexuality and sexist stereotypes are totally different things.

GerryblewuptheER · 24/02/2019 10:30

How would we find out what schools are being targeted.

My dds already know men can marry men and women can marry women and they dont care. They dont need about it we've already discussed how families can be made up.

It's hard enough as it is undoing all the damage caused by stereotypes. Without lessons on the bloody stuff

TimeLady · 24/02/2019 10:32

It'll be interesting to see whether referrals to gps and the gender clinics skyrocket after this is implemented.

However, forewarned is forearmed. I will be having subtle anti-gaslighting sessions with my young grandchildren too.

Needmoresleep · 24/02/2019 10:32

This is stupid, and dangerous for LGBs.

Teaching kids from conservative communities that homosexuality exists and is, in this country, accpted is really important. Immigrant communities, and mine was Irish Catholic, are used to differences on values between their and host communitues. Integration takes time. But need to understand prevailng values to first pass, and then hopefully accept.

Trans is a whole different thing. Many on this board do not accept pre pubescent children being taught about gender stereotypes and a medical 'solution'. Or the safeguarding implications. Conservative communities wont get to first base.

Conflating the two, wont work. Neither will be accepted, or worst still, trans will be seen as a solution to gay.

Cagliostro · 24/02/2019 10:33

My DCs have ended up being home educated for completely unrelated reasons, but I can’t help but feel even more relieved they are no longer in school

VickyEadie · 24/02/2019 10:43

I'm a governor at a primary school and we've already had a discussion (raised by me) on this issue.

Safe to say that fellow governors and HT were all in favour of appropriate SRE, but unanimous in rejecting any 'jelly baby' type nonsense.

Thingybob · 24/02/2019 10:45

Safe to say that fellow governors and HT were all in favour of appropriate SRE, but unanimous in rejecting any 'jelly baby' type nonsense

But how can you reject it when gender identity needs to be embedded? What else can you teach other than jelly babies?

CallMeWoman · 24/02/2019 10:46

Unfortunately home education won't protect your child/ren from this dogma - HE communities contain some of the wokest people you could ever find. A lot of the trans kids in the UK and USA are home educated.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/02/2019 10:49

it reminds me of when I was a child and there were all sorts of trendy looney childraising and education theories doing the rounds, which my parents sensible ignored.

I asked them about it later - was I a Dr spock baby? They guffawed and said that there was an awful lot of fashionable nonsense that swept people away for a time, only for it to come back and bite them on the backside when the kids grew up and realised how dodgy it was.

FamilyOfAliens · 24/02/2019 10:52

Can we somehow insist that all schools offer an in-person information session for parents before this is implemented? Including the opportunity to review all resource materials?

This is a good idea. If it comes our way, I’ll be suggesting it to our head teacher. It definitely used to happen with the old sex ed materials - I remember going into the sex van with other parents when my DC were in primary school to watch the videos they were shown Grin

R0wantrees · 24/02/2019 10:58

It's really pissed me off how 'gender identity' has just become totally part of any education on LGB stuff - they are totally different things.

Its the culmination of long term lobbying by TRAs and a specific framework of understanding posited by some psychiatrists including the founder of GIDS Tavistock, Dr Domenico DiCeglie
from GIDS website:
"You founded the Gender Identity Development Service. What gave you the idea to do so?

I was inspired to start the Gender Identity Development Service in 1989 by an encounter with a teenager, who was assigned female at birth, who perceived himself to be male. I saw him for exploratory psychotherapy in the mid-80s following three overdoses. In one of the sessions he wondered why his parents had not understood his situation when he was a child and sought professional help and support. This started my thinking about setting up a specialist service for this group of young people"
gids.nhs.uk/who-we-are/domenico-diceglie

see important thread outlining long history of lobbying by some TRAs:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007