Compulsory trans lessons in primary schools: what will this involve?

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Does anyone know who will be teaching or writing the trans part of this curriculum and what it will cover?

Given the cod science and lack of/outright hostility to safeguarding concerns of many of the lobby groups who have been teaching in schools I am really concerned about this.

What does the government think primary school children need to know about trans issues and for what purpose? Will they consult with organisations such as Transgender Trend, WPUK, FPFW?

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gay-and-trans-lessons-for-primary-schools-7nd8tgqcw

And there was I feeling guilty for getting in my home lessons about the TRAs, that not following stereotypes does not make her a boy and introducing her to biology.

Feeling stupid for throwing away my biology textbook and will now have to go and get another one.

Won't be involving my DC that's for sure, they will be removed from those lessons.

If this all goes through, it will be against the law for you to do this.

You'll be fined. And if you don't pay the fine, you could end up in prison - a bit like the term time holidays thing.

Thank you Old Crone you are correct. Sorry I misread

But how can you reject it when gender identity needs to be embedded? What else can you teach other than jelly babies?
And what do you do when, as happened at my DCs'school, the mum of a 6 year old comes along and says "my boy is a girl and always has been".

The trouble is not only do they not tell you when "the lessons" will be, but they work the whole agenda into all subjects.

This is what the report for the development of the new curriculum in Wales says about that:

A holistic and inter-disciplinary SRE can enable children and young people to explore the dynamic and interconnected ways in which sex, gender, sexuality and relationships are shaped across the six core areas of learning and experience, including creative arts and expression; health and well-being; humanities; languages, literacy and communication; mathematics and numeracy; science and technology.

Normally I'd be in favour of not putting subjects in boxes that have no relationship to each other, but this leaves the door open for people who have no expertise in a subject to indoctrinate the children with their own prejudices and/or misconceptions.

I think there'll be religious parents who are uneasy about this. It depends on whether they are organised enough to get their act together and resist it.

does gender in the above quote mean gender as in stereotypes or gender as in internal gender id

it could mean anything

the language needs to be clear first

I am also dismayed along with PP about how gender id has so quickly become a "thing" that children will be taught and it always goes that the vast majority of poeple have a strongly held internal sense of gender id which in my world is just not true, the people i have asked and on mn too feel like people. in fact most feminists in particular by definition feel like people which is why we notice and get pissed off when we are treated in gendered ways.

to teach kids that they must feel like a boy or a girl inside and this is normal, what frame of reference is there bar stereotypes? which as we all know are beloved and highly enforced for some reason by older toddlers and younger primary school kids.

it is utterly OBVIOUS that young kids will see it as adhering to sterreotypes and those that don't are "really " the opposite sex inside ie girl brain / boy brain

the gender fans do thsi as well eg we're on a scale between barbie and gi joe i mean ffs could it be more obvious! and mixed in with what we know of young kids and stereotype (see multiple threads on here with dismayed parents whose kids have suddenyl announced that women can't be doctors etc) and it#s going to be AWFUL.

I find it HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS that opt out is going just as trans comes in

Is this all actually a right wing thing? trans the gay away?

I'll pay the fine :)

Is this all actually a right wing thing? trans the gay away?

I very much doubt it, as the most vocal resistance is coming from the right wing, due to the infringement of free speech if nothing else.

It's a control thing, but it also gets rid of lesbian, autistic and otherwise undesirables in the process. That's why the people at the very top are pushing it, it's a experiment is social control.

In fact, thinking on this a bit more, I'd probably just let my DC crack on, will be interesting when I'm called in for meetings to discuss why my DC refuse to accept pink/blue brain etc etc

why my DC refuse to accept pink/blue brain etc etc

If you get a child young enough you can get them to believe anything, you can get them to do anything.

this leaves the door open for people who have no expertise in a subject to indoctrinate the children with their own prejudices and/or misconceptions

yes. feast your eyes on the sample lesson plan on page 26 of this county council document which asks

'do you know any other sexes in addition to male and female?'

and answers

'some people are born with internal and/or external organs which do not "fit" clearly into the male or female category. The term for this is "intersex"'

documents.hants.gov.uk/childrens-services/HIAS/LGBTguidance.pdf

It thoroughly conflates intersex and transgender

there will be children in Hampshire very sure that there are more than 2 sexes because their teacher told them so.

aside from anything else, what if there is a child in the class with a DSD? they will know damn well that they are male or female, and I consider it dehumanising to them for their teacher to imply otherwise.

Thanks Rowan.

Even after sending the HT measured evidence, gleaned from my previous thread on here (and including Michelle Moore's superb video) he refused to concede that Stonewall gender ideology posed an issue.

He even patronised me that I shouldn't believe what I read in the media about the Challenors and Bradley!!!!

Captain - I'm not concerned at all. I've just posted on another thread funnily enough how my DS when he was about 4 totally shut down some fool who said his doll was a girls toy, and he battled against all that sort of talk through nursery when he always wanted the princess dress out of the dress up box and I got called in to discuss it as the girls were always upset he had it on leaving them with the 'boys' outfits

My kneejerk reaction about taking them out of classes was just that, and more of a statement from me. I'll let them make their own ;)

He sounds brilliant! Meand

He even patronised me that I shouldn't believe what I read in the media about the Challenors and Bradley!!!

HandsOffMyRights I didn't want to presume the sex of the patronising headteacher.
He may be forced to take Jonny Best's concerns more seriously given Best is a gay man. If/when he does, this raises serious issues about the headteacher's bias.
The governors are ultimately responsible for the school, not the Headteacher.

Good point Rowan. Some of what I sent (minus Andrew Gilligan and James Kirkup pieces) was from females. I think I sent an article (maybe by Jane Clare Jones?) on why the fight for Gay rights (sexuality and any associated homophobia) is nothing like gender and the TRA movement.

I didn't approach the governors as I was shocked by his unmovable stance and because my socialisation as a woman taught me "not to make a fuss and play nicely" but I'm lining my ducks up and todays Times adds more weight to my arguments.

I would urge you all to write to Schools Week as it was my HT's go to publication. When he researched Transgendertrend (as I had recommended as an alternative to Stonewall) he cited at least two Schools Week articles that damned TGTrend and praised Stonewall!

I did email Schools Week though and in fairness, Jon Dickens did me the courtesy of replying in an open manner and he did not dismiss my concerns as a parent/woman and that if I knew of any heads/teachers who felt the same as I did, then they could contact him (anonymously).

This is why it would be worth contacting him - especially if we have any GC teachers on here.

Any pointers towards a sample letter to send to Heads and Chairs of Govs would be great. Eg other areas of the curriculum this new guidance for Compulsory SRE will contradict, for example primary science teaching- does anyone know the details?

Don’t get me wrong, I am delighted and relieved that there will be compulsory SRE because some children get none at home, and they and others in their lives may suffer the consequences. This is a really good thing and successive governments have shirked away from it. And it’s great that LGB will be covered as part of this and from a young age.

But we need to keep pointing out: T is not a sexual orientation, it is NOT the same as LGB.

T is either a mental health condition (gender dysphoria) which can be treated but which is not something to teach 5 year olds about

or

It is a wide umbrella of identities with a common set of articles of faith or political beliefs, with no evidence base, and which cause a serious clash of rights with other people. That is not something to teach 5 year olds about either.

I am concerned to see how this guidance to schools is presented because I think the government are going to have a lot of pushback from parents if their plan is to force compulsory unevidenced wokery and suspend normal safeguarding and enforce personal boundary erosions on to kids at primary school.

The biggest irony is that many aspects of the way any teaching about 'trans' is being handled by certain organisations, is that it works actively against safeguarding policies and attempts being made to break down gender stereotyping in schools.

documents.hants.gov.uk/childrens-services/HIAS/LGBTguidance.pdf

The lesson plan and the vast majority of that guidance is complete bollocks. Has no one complained to Hants?

These are resources by Andrew Moffat who's up for a world wide teaching award I think. The pack is good in many aspects, especially homophobia except I have issues about the sloppy teaching materials around the trans parts.

Ks2 book:

equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2016/10/transgender-awareness-ks2-3-10000.html

"Main : Read 10,000 dresses. At the beginning of the story do we think Bailey is a boy or a girl? What makes us think that? Does Bailey feel like a boy? Does Bailey feel like a girl? At no point in the story does Bailey identify as a boy or a girl; does wearing a dress make a child a girl?
Bailey’s family keep saying Bailey is wrong to want to wear a dress; how do you think this makes Bailey feel? What changes everything for Bailey? (meeting Laurel) Does Laurel make any comment about Bailey being a boy or a girl? Does Laurel care if Bailey is a boy or a girl?
What does transgender mean? (We are all assigned a gender at birth. Some people feel different to the gender they were assigned at birth; they live as the gender they identify with)"

Student led activity: whole class: watch the CBBC “My Life” series episode 1 “I am Leo” on youtube . 28 minutes long, very positive and perfect for understanding about life as a transgender child.
Independent activity: In pairs children discuss and answer the following questions:
How does Leo describe what transgender means/ How did Mum feel at first when Lily became Leo? What did she do?/ Why is Leo’s passport so important to him/ What went wrong at primary School and why? / What do you think Primary School should have done differently / How did Steven Whittle change the law?

"In the wrong body" over and over again.

This is superb, because Michelle's background and experience with children and transgender issues means that she is an expert in this field: