Compulsory trans lessons in primary schools: what will this involve?

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Does anyone know who will be teaching or writing the trans part of this curriculum and what it will cover?

Given the cod science and lack of/outright hostility to safeguarding concerns of many of the lobby groups who have been teaching in schools I am really concerned about this.

What does the government think primary school children need to know about trans issues and for what purpose? Will they consult with organisations such as Transgender Trend, WPUK, FPFW?

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gay-and-trans-lessons-for-primary-schools-7nd8tgqcw

From the draft guidance quoted by Thingybob - "Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about sex, sexuality, sexual health and gender identity".

Teaching facts about gender identity is one thing, but teaching transgender ideological fantasies about gender identity is something else.

I bet that primary school children will be taught the fantasies.

current thread,OP WhenIsTheEasyBit wrote,

"Twinkl has fallen for the rainbow guff

For non-teachers, Twinkl is a huge part of many teachers' lives. They produce colourful, generally reasonable quality resources- worksheets, displays, vocabulary mats etc. Their stuff links closely to the National Curriculum and they add topical stuff for eg Olympics, royal weddings etc. They are seen as trustworthy and run Facebook groups that thousands of teachers follow and use as a place to discuss issues and ask for help.

Today they have posted 'If you do one thing tonight, read this blog: Trans teen "What I wish my primary teachers had understood " '. There are accompanying resources.

I am not a Twinkl subscriber so I can't see everything, but I can link to the blog which includes things like "why can't toilets be gender neutral?" and sleeping arrangements on residential trips.

Some teachers pay their own subscription to Twinkl, others work in schools that subscribe. They are a huge part of the education landscape and seen as very mainstream, establishment even. It alarms me hugely that they are peddling this stuff with no reference to the equality act. It has the hallmarks of them having asked the wrong people to advise them.

Could any MN Twinkl members who feel as I do let Twinkl know about Transgender Trend so that they see an alternative viewpoint at least? And perhaps express some disappointment about the disregard for girls' rights, eg Year 6 girls having to share toilets with boys as they deal with periods for the first time. "
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3516454-twinkl-has-fallen-for-the-rainbow-guff

There's much that's good within the program

Yes there really is. It would be disingenuous to say there isn't; I've seen many things that I feel are excellent and many books that are great for many other aspects of the EA.

Without really clear guidelines, curriculum and safeguarding based, teachers will teach what they think is 'right'. He's written it in the absence of these guidelines, using resources such as the bbc and books published under lgbt and obviously promoted by stonewall.

A journalist for Schoolsweek attended the Were Still Here conference (where James Morton talked about how to groom organsations into accepting gender ideology and Jane Fae boasted of being in with Girl Guides) in October last year and soon after wrote a piece slandering Transgender Trend.

Damnit I'm not on Twinkl anymore.

Twinkl
"What I Wish My Primary Teachers Had Known - by a Trans Teen

I'm 15 now and have always felt like a boy, even though I have a female body. At primary school, I had lots of friends - both girls and boys - who just accepted me for who I was. I have been lucky, in that I have never been bullied at school. However, there are a number of things which would have made being at primary school a lot easier and less stressful, if my teachers had been more aware of what it is like to be a transgender child. (continues)

www.twinkl.co.uk/blog/what-i-wish-my-primary-teachers-had-known-by-a-trans-teen

There are v active Twinkl Facebook groups.

A journalist for Schoolsweek attended the Were Still Here conference (where James Morton talked about how to groom organsations into accepting gender ideology and Jane Fae boasted of being in with Girl Guides) in October last year and soon after wrote a piece slandering Transgender Trend.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

The are you a boy or are you a girl book does indeed look very simple from the preview pages. KS1 text.

The lesson plan activity is suited to upper KS2

Mumsnet OFSTED rating: needs improvement.

Yeah that wouldn't wash with many y5/6!

I stand by my position that if your child is not old enough to watch a video of a penile inversion and orchiectomy being performed, or a video of a double mastectomy, hysterectomy, tissue graft and phalloplasty being performed, they are not old enough to socially transition.

If you cannot talk honestly to them about the hugely invasive medical procedures involved and the high risk of unsatisfactory outcomes, they are not old enough to transition.

The only age-appropriate line with primary school children is "you can play with whatever toys you want, you can dress however you want, wear your hair however you want, aspire to whatever career* you want, and we will support you 100%, but you cannot change sex. Some grown-ups sincerely wish they had been born the opposite sex, and we should be kind to them, and we can revisit that later in your life, but not now."

*When I say "whatever career" I mean within reason. I am excluding encouraging your 11 year old to become a drag queen and have money thrown at them by adult male perverts in night clubs.

Historian that I am, I am now very keen to learn about the Eugenics movement of the thirties and run a comparison.

Historian that I am, I am now very keen to learn about the Eugenics movement of the thirties and run a comparison.

There was an excellent PBS documentary that aired on Sky a while back: American Experience: The Eugenics Crusade. It's not on their catch up service I'm afraid and I don't think it's available in the UK online anywhere.

DVD here: www.amazon.co.uk/American-Experience-Eugenics-Crusade-DVD/dp/B07F83JZYF?tag=mumsnetforum-21

Really worth watching, especially for the way it took hold so fast - and among progressives even though it was so obviously regressive.

Now in Mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6739861/Primary-school-children-taught-gay-transgender-relationships.html

When I say "whatever career" I mean within reason. I am excluding encouraging your 11 year old to become a drag queen and have money thrown at them by adult male perverts in night clubs

Quite!
For a teacher or responsible adult to do such an age-inappropriate thing would be a serious Safeguarding and Child Protection issue:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation

Hmm, depending on how it’s taught, I think there are legal issues here. If the teaching backs up gender stereotypes, and asserts that people can change sex, I think there is a possibility it would be in breach of the ECHR, articles 8 & 9. Also it is arguable that feminism is a belief for the purposes of section 10 of the Equality Act. So teaching children stereotypes that make it impossible for feminist parents to use state education looks to me like indirect discrimination on grounds of belief for the purposes of the Equality Act. There is a Christian pressure group, the Christian Institute, that gets involved in things like this. Personally I’m not a Christian, and don’t agree with a lot of their campaigns, but they are well resourced and effective and know the law absolutely inside out. If this goes ahead maybe they will show an interest.

Sorry MNHQ, could your clarify which part of my post was unacceptable? I’m genuinely confused. You’ve sent me a message, but not actually clarified which part was offensive. Am I not permitted to use the term ‘lady dick’? It’s a term used by some transwomen. Some of those same transwomen do call lesbians transphobic for not wanting to have sex with them. These are things that have been discussed on Mumsnet before and there are many accounts on other forums to back that up. I’m not being a smart arse. I don’t actually know why my comment was deleted, so would you mind sending me a message clarifying which part was offensive, so I don’t make that mistake again? Thank you in advance.

It's indoctrination of a belief system.

Seeing some interesting rumblings on Twitter from faith school parents (and tacit backing from a children's author who I know is a staunch man of faith). Not liking the "muscular liberalism" of OFSTED; pointing out that it should be information-based (eg "gay people exist", "abortion exists"), not pushing the approval of particular ideas. It's a difficult one for me as I'm strongly against faith schools in the first place, but there's a fair point to be made about playing top trumps with life choices and beliefs.

IDONOTCARE....Hilarious, the last time I had a comment deleted was when I questioned (quite reasonably) why the majority of transwomen keep their penises..what would a Woman want with a penis?...That's the delete trigger....😂😂

Our primary school has a number of trans children, one transitioned at four just as they started. I am glad the school have mentioned it, instead of the parents leading the conversation. The trans kids just spout sexist nonsense, correcting people that their teddy has glittery eyes and is therefore a girl. They also come out with sentences that no 6yo would ever get to without parental googling "my internal sense of self..."

My kids see it as a variety of belief: "x's mum thinks women must wear headscarves, the yoga teaches thinks we get lots of lives, y thinks they are a boy but they are really a girl." None are taught as truth, but you shouldn't be mean about any of these things, that's the main message.

I also saw it coming as I knew one of the families, so I had transgender trend info in there first. Also, the families were already recognised as high maintenance, so I think that didn't help the cause.

Basically, it might not be a bad thing, I think the schools need to do something and we have to stop assuming that parents are the good guys against the backdrop of woke schoolteachers. The parents I know are much more extreme than you'd expect and feed it back through the playground.

I’m fucking bamboozled, Pottery. Seriously, I didn’t say anything that hasn’t been said many times before. I even said ‘some’ men that say they are women....I didn’t say all!

Our primary school has a number of trans children, one transitioned at four just as they started

A four year old child cannot meaningfully 'transition' without the encouragement and enablement of responsibile adults.

I agree we need to tackle this in schools.

I overheard a prepubescent boy jokingly telling his dad he was transgender; excellent deflection from dad "And you assume I have an agenda?" But the point is he was making a flippant joke.,

Kids will be bullied because they're non conforming to gender stereotypes; teachers need to be aware of the very subtle nuances between just gender stereotype non conformity and anything a lot deeper.

Seven Hex actually describes a normal childhood full of a range of interests; not strict non conformity.

Body/ sex dysphoria is very different.

The problem is the lack of expert guidance and guidelines that are sensitive enough, balanced enough and take into consideration the factor of stereotypes and difference between sex and gender.

If the guidance is coming from places like mermaids, and teachers are using it in lessons, we are setting a lot of children up for a path of confusion.

this was an interesting read just now By Julian Vigo : https://www.forbes.com/sites/julianvigo/2018/12/27/pseudo-scientific-hokum-and-the-experimentation-on-childrens-bodies/?fbclid=IwAR127sT907znaOERtaQYR-r4iU9fb7-NHHq72kOcLlGG7FaZSnCxx_kzFwA#427ebdeb1167

I spoke to Linda at Mermaids, a support group in London formed in 1995 by parents of transgendered children. She told me that this group supports parents who have children who do not ‘fit in’ with ‘gender roles.’ I ask what she meant exactly by ‘fitting in’ and Linda explains, ‘If you are a little girl who behaves like a boy, you will want to have your hair short, to play with the boys. Even at play group they will be different…they will be picked on and those are the problems.’ I tell Linda that many little girls will have short hair and play with boys—I was one of those little girls. She says, ‘I have known a lot of girls in my time and they don’t like rough and tumble..they don’t like playing with boys. They like to play with dolls, dressing up, playing in the Wendy House, to grow their hair…’ Linda emphasises that it is important that these children ‘fit in,’ a phrase she often repeats in our discussion. Is this what transitioning for some trans adults is about? Is this the ‘support’ that parents are receiving in order to understand ‘gender roles’?

The parents I know are much more extreme than you'd expect and feed it back through the playground.

Interested to know in what ways are the parents you mention 'extreme'?

I have a four year old granddaugher and this stuff is deeply troubling.

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