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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The National Lottery Fund will fund Mermaids - review published

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HandsOffMyRights · 19/02/2019 14:59

The National Lottery Community Fund (@TNLComFund) Tweeted:
Our review of proposed Mermaids UK funding is now complete. You can read our statement and a report on the review at: t.co/T7NCJuNcme twitter.com/TNLComFund/status/1097869829212643329?s=17

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Bittermints · 19/02/2019 22:16

Dunning Kruger again, I see. I'd be raising an eyebrow and scrolling rapidly on if I didn't have a strong suspicion that a lot of MPs are just as ignorant about science as our new MN friends.

Ereshkigal · 19/02/2019 22:18

I fear you are correct.

howlsmovingcastle84 · 19/02/2019 22:20

Dam, are we not allowed to post on Mumsnet AND be a scientist??
Better tell my publisher to withdraw my books from sale ASAP!

reallyanotherone · 19/02/2019 22:21

This thread is like TRA bingo

Waiting for the “male monkeys naturally play with wheels/female monkeys play with pots and pans” as evidence of pink brain/blue brain.

Yeah, because monkeys drive cars and cook...

ToeToToe · 19/02/2019 22:22

"All males are female for first six weeks of pregnancy so even your beloved Linehan was female for first six weeks and had a natural "sex-change" in the womb."

Do people actually believe this crap? Who is peddling this nonsense? This is pseudo-scientific claptrap which is being used to push the trans ideology.

Embryos are not female for the first six weeks. IVF procedures such as PGD can determine the sex of embryos at a few days old.

Bittermints · 19/02/2019 22:26

It's so sexist, too, to state the blindingly obvious. In come the new posters to tell us all we don't know what we're talking about and they more or less say in so many words that we're just silly old mummies, and what do mummies know? We're just empty-headed women.

No grasp at all that there are a lot of women here, whether mothers or not, who are trained scientists and doctors.

Trousering · 19/02/2019 22:27

This has been a very entertaining thread so far.

I have just read Alice Kruger's book, Galileo's middle finger.
I definitely recommend it.

reallyanotherone · 19/02/2019 22:29

Embryos are not female for the first six weeks. IVF procedures such as PGD can determine the sex of embryos at a few days old

The “well known scientific fact” is based on undifferentiated embryos looking the same until 6 weeks. Then the rudimentary structures develop into recognisable testes/ovaries and penis/clitoris and move into position.

Like i said, a human embryo in the early stages looks very much like a mouse embryo until the cells form organs and species specific structures.

Trousering · 19/02/2019 22:31

It always seems so obvious that the people lecturing women who have gestated and birthed children ought to perhaps reflect that we might have some knowledge of this, but no, up they rock and share their stupidity freely and willingly for all to laugh at.

DoctoressPlague · 19/02/2019 22:34

No grasp at all that there are a lot of women here, whether mothers or not, who are trained scientists and doctors.

But not surprising from people who support Mermaids and its 1950s style pink/blue gender ideology.

SirVixofVixHall · 19/02/2019 22:47

We should all be busy choosing prams, not bothering our fluffy little ladybrains with complicated things like science and biology. I’ll go and make a nice pot of tea and leave the science to my (scientist) husband eh?

MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 19/02/2019 22:50

Yes did you know that if your boy baby undoes the poppers of his babygrow it means he really wants to be a girl baby?

It's been scientifically proved and everything.

Datun · 19/02/2019 23:34

See what I mean - you think you know better than the scientists. It's a well known medical fact, apart from to those in denial.

Say the people who believe pink and blue jelly babies inhabit people's souls.

🤣🤣🤣

QuietContraryMary · 20/02/2019 00:26

Susie advocating for crook Dr. Helen Webberley here

twitter.com/green_susie100/status/976424754419847169

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/02/2019 02:12

Just need to point this out: Mermaids are not an official body.

Anyone can set up a charity.

Anyone can raise money for things they believe in and promote them.

The Tavistock is official. They're struggling under pressure from ideology touted by this organisation.

We will them to account when it comes to safeguarding and not confusing children unnecessarily.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/02/2019 02:36

Well the thread was much more entertaining thereafter; all I'll add is that I'm awake cuddling my baby son.

I had a non invasive prenatal test when i was 11 weeks pregnant. It was just a blood test where they found some of his dna.

The unique dna code that had been formed when he was conceived. That had the code for xy, male.

Did I receive even one pink card of congratulations? No, because the gender stereotyping starts then. (Sometimes before but I'm too tired)

He's big and healthy. Would strangers ever call my big healthy daughter a 'bruiser?' No. But they do my son.

This is the problem. Rigid gender stereotypes. Like Barbie and GI Joe. Telling him he has to be and look and Wear and like certain things to fit in. He can grow up to be and do what ever he wants but he will always be male.

Gender dysphoria is very different. And very rare.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/02/2019 02:44

Oh yeah one more thing.

He has beautiful huge eyelashes, and strangers (women) have already commented that they wish they had those eye lashes, it's always the boys who have the (girls) eyelashes.

They're just eye lashes.

But all day I'm bombarded on fb by giant eyelash ads for women. It's a womanly thing apparently. If Mermaids did more to campaign against stereotyping and sexualising of children, maybe they'd have a tiny bit more credibility.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/02/2019 02:54

Oh and that barbie joe spectrum thing is potentially racist, definitely not inclusive,

I used to feel like I wasn't a proper girl with my straight dark hair thanks to the ideal of the blonde curly haired barbie.

Fuck off with your stereotyping Mermaids!!

Lolasaurous · 20/02/2019 03:00

@Hera2 -all the things you state about what the NHS currently does is what Susie Green/Mermaids want to change and lobby to change. Also as stated in this thread they recommended children to and advertised on their website a doctor Helen webberley who was found guilty in court of running an illegal sex-change clinic and gave cross-sex hormones to a 12 year old. And 'treated' kids the NHS didn't feel suitable for 'treatment'. Greece's
You also mentioned everything is great because psychologists assess these kids, did you know Susie Green has tweeted in the past that children shouldn't need to have psychological assessment before having major sex-change surgeries.
These are some of the issues people have with them. The evidence is all there if you search this site or google . It's nearly 3am so I ain't doing it now.

Btw as a side point, when you say the NHS rarely gives puberty blockers to kids under 16, people go through puberty before 16, so how would it block it? so are you sure on that?

Also wondering what you think of this, since you think kids and young people are so sure:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3507109-Pique-Resilience-Project-young-detransitioned-women-sharing-their-personal-stories

Lolasaurous · 20/02/2019 03:03

a rouge "Greece's" there somehow 😂

Lolasaurous · 20/02/2019 03:18

Datun - "Say the people who believe pink and blue jelly babies inhabit people's souls."

And think that some type of fish changing sex NATURALLY, without any intervention or surgery, is relevant AT ALL to human beings. Like, how does this even become part of their 'training' 😂. Fish breathe under water too, hun.

FromEden · 20/02/2019 03:46

See what I mean - you think you know better than the scientists. It's a well known medical fact, apart from to those in denial

Patronising guff. This may shock you, but some of the women posting here are actually scientists. Yes, they allow women to attend University now and everything!

You're talking unscientific nonsense, and we all know it.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/02/2019 06:51

Bang on Lucy.

Emotional blackmail.

Iused2BanOptimist · 20/02/2019 07:00

The charity, based in Leeds, employs eight full-time staff and has an annual turnover of £310,000.

Apart from anything else how many other charities with an annual turnover of £310K suddenly get a grant of £500K, vastly surpassing their normal annual funds?

It seems an extraordinary sum to lavish on what might otherwise be a small inconsequential group.