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The National Lottery Fund will fund Mermaids - review published

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HandsOffMyRights · 19/02/2019 14:59

The National Lottery Community Fund (@TNLComFund) Tweeted:
Our review of proposed Mermaids UK funding is now complete. You can read our statement and a report on the review at: t.co/T7NCJuNcme twitter.com/TNLComFund/status/1097869829212643329?s=17

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/02/2019 15:36

How the fuck have social and psychological aspects got anything to do with what sex we end up? It might have been suggested, you fools, but that doesn't mean you have to believe it.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 19/02/2019 15:36

Incorrect. There are three sources of international law: conventions, treaties and custom.

States are not obliged to observe "principles".

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/02/2019 15:38

On the bright side the report seems to conclude that Mermaids is a bit lacking in several areas of concern, and it looks like there are going to be additional conditions attached to their grant.

It is a very comprehensive review, and quite an interesting read.

Manderleyagain · 19/02/2019 15:42

Itsallgoingtobefine. Rosa freedman did a twitter thread a while ago on the yogyakarta principles and how they did not become law.

GerryblewuptheER · 19/02/2019 15:46

Not surprised really.

Lets see if they find the lawsuits after too. And whether that's before or after women are blamed for what happened despite the fact we warned them all....

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/02/2019 15:46

Thanks Manderley - I knew I'd seen it somewhere...

Homestar · 19/02/2019 15:50

Who wrote this report? It sounds like they did their research by reading Mermaids pamphlets and having a cup of coffee with Susie Green.

reallyanotherone · 19/02/2019 15:51

Mermaids acosted us in Lush the other day. Thay had some sort of charity stall and were asking anyone who stepped in for a donation.

I laughed as I was there with Dd, who’s about as gender non conforming as you get. She’s 13, and most are hard pressed to tell whether she’s male or female. She’s not trans, or confused about her gender identity, she’s a normal girl a bit late into puberty, who likes what she likes and doesn’t subscribe to gender norms. Therefore the social cues are lost and so many people genuinely seem to find it “wrong” that they can’t see the normal things that would denote gender.

And yes, she has had people ask her straight out if she’s trans.

It’s really odd. Back in the 70’s, even 80’s no one would have batted an eyelid. We’ve gone backward.

LangCleg · 19/02/2019 15:52

This is why it's so so important to talk, It will be the public that will protect children, not the charities, clubs and government.

Yes. I won't be giving up.

Angryresister · 19/02/2019 15:56

Deny deny deny. Why are they still flavour of the month?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/02/2019 15:58

Why are they still flavour of the month?

Becuase they are above the law.

LangCleg · 19/02/2019 15:59

The context and debate about supporting non-conforming gender identity children

When did GNC change to NCGI?

Fucks fucking sake. We're living in a fucking state sanctioned theocracy.

lottiebel123 · 19/02/2019 15:59

Paris Lees is currently on Twitter calling us a gang of bullies. Yes, because speaking out about genuine safeguarding concerns and the desire for women's sex based rights (not to mention fairness in sport) is bullying isn't it? We see you. We know what you're doing. We are speaking up about it. This is not bullying.

HumberElla · 19/02/2019 16:00

This is, in my opinion, quite a good review. It highlights a large number of concerns, allegations and areas of work that Mermaids have not delivered well (training material with fudged facts being just one). The report is worth reading.

Ultimately it has raised a lot of our queries about the area that Mermaids are operating in, and it does say the organisation should improve in many ways.

It’s frustrating that some language persists throughout (sex assigned etc) but the concerns people have raised are not dismissed by any means.

The award has been made on the basis that the criteria for the award has been met, largely in relation to setting up community led services centring those with lived experiences and doing more research.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/02/2019 16:01

We're living in a fucking state sanctioned theocracy.

I do wonder what the end goal is.

LangCleg · 19/02/2019 16:06

You don't give half a million quid to a child-centred organisation that ignores statutory safeguarding frameworks. Extra conditions when there are safeguarding concerns? Not sufficient. JFC.

Angryresister · 19/02/2019 16:07

Can anyone name an organisation that supports young lesbians in their lived experience to the same extent that this one is?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/02/2019 16:08

Why are they still flavour of the month?

They aren't completely...

Any organisation publicly presenting data has a responsibility to ensure the legitimacy of
such information. This is particularly important when assuming a specialist and
professional role and in discussing matters which may practice, behaviour and
understanding especially when working with children.
Organisations run/operated by people with lived experience have an important part to
play in educating professionals. However, there is also a responsibility to be clear when
they are expressing opinion, describing an experience or stating fact. Mermaids should
be mindful of this when undertaking their review of training and engage with relevant
professional organisations who may hold such data.

Mermaids undertakes to provide scripts to the Fund on this point so that the Fund can
continue to be confident the best available statistic are being used.

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Mermaids should work with an academic partner/evaluator to explore the
reasons why their longer term outcomes may differ from other services such as the
Tavistock. The findings of this should form part of the Big Lottery Fund grant
management activity.

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he main activities of this grant are to work with parents to set
up support groups across the country and to deliver training. In doing this Mermaids
should clearly explain the stated NHS position in the UK and provide relevant
information, advice and support to families (and others) in a responsible and accountable
manner.

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Mermaids continues to feature the [Gender GP] GP practice on their web site. This has the potential
to cause misunderstanding and draw negative attention to the organisation given the
controversial nature of the issue as well as leaving the organisation open to such allegations. Mermaids should consider the implications of this and review the
appropriateness of retaining details of this practice on their website at least until the
current GMC inquiry is resolved.

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organisations such as Mermaids also carry an important responsibility, especially as they
attempt to grow, to ensure their services, communications and training are of a
consistently high standard. Mermaids should pay attention to ensuring that their
governance, infrastructure and quality assurance are strengthened in line with the
growth in their operational activity. They should also work towards strengthening their
relationships with other key players working in this field.

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All organisations have a duty of care to those who use their services and to ensure
their activities, views and policy positions respect the best standards in their given field.
The Big Lottery Fund can consider providing appropriate additional support to
organisations to help with their growth, improvement and development and provide
knowledge and learning from other activities it funds. Should the England Committee
decide to continue funding, these points should be considered as additional conditions of
the grant.

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This review has explored the specific allegations made about Mermaids practice and
has not found adequate evidence to support a withdrawal of the grant. However, it has
identified some areas in which Mermaids should improve practice, governance,
relationship management and quality assurance.

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Mermaids claim to be a user centred organisation, however their advocacy and
engagement in controversial debate risks overshadowing the valued front facing direct
support platform they provide for children, young people and their families. This
proposal is targeted at that level.

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As is the case with
many other grants it is recommended that the Big Lottery Fund provides additional
support and agrees milestones that ensure Mermaids has an effective quality assurance
system for its communications, support services and training. The England Team should
work with Mermaids to identify and agree these key milestones.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/02/2019 16:12

The National Lottery has approved its £500k grant to Mermaids. Its review does so on grounds which are provably false. When the public inquiry comes, the Lottery will have to account for these falsehoods.

Andrew Gilligan
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1097890956240666624?s=19

LizzieSiddal · 19/02/2019 16:14

This is, in my opinion, quite a good review. It highlights a large number of concerns, allegations and areas of work that Mermaids have not delivered well (training material with fudged facts being just one). The report is worth reading.

The only consolation in this is Mermaids know it's not only us who are watching them, very, very closely.

And if anyone sees evidence of everything they have denied, we will have to let everyone know.

Allegation a) Supporting illegal doctors
Mermaids denies this Allegation.

Allegation b) eg encouraging mixed sex loos/changing rooms
Mermaids denies this Allegation

Allegation c)Eg Encouraging procedures outside of NHS guidelines
Mermaids denies this Allegation....

LizzieSiddal · 19/02/2019 16:16

"Provable false" we all know that, Andrew knows that, I hope he's not going to let this go.

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/02/2019 16:16

I’m afraid I agree with kirk. This is going to happen. Self ID is coming in. The only question really is what happens after sex based rights are removed.

I think we are headed somewhere really, really dark.

Trousering · 19/02/2019 16:19

"The Yogyakarta Principles of 2006 are a universal guide to human rights which affirm
binding international legal standards with which all States must comply"

That's not true, they are principles. There is no such thing as binding linternational legal standards. Made up nonsense.

HumberElla · 19/02/2019 16:21

Yes, scrutiny is now the key.
We are watching. The grant is now going to be scrutinised a lot more closely by funders and the public, whose hard earned money is now supporting this organisation, are becoming far more aware of exactly what Mermaids is about.

MsMcWoodle · 19/02/2019 16:21

What absolute bollocks. Can't wait until they are all sued.

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