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FPFW disinvited from discussing Martina's comments on 5Live

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TransposersArePosers · 18/02/2019 11:00

Nicola WIlliams was invited to speak about Martina's comments along with RM. This on the FPFW facebook page

We were then disinvited after Rachel McKinnon publicly refused to participate if we were included. We discussed this decision with editor Philo Holland explaining how this is a frequently used tactic to silencing opposing views. It contravenes BBC editorial guidelines to allow a guest to veto the appearance of another

So the BBC being biased again, what a surprise. And a GC voice being no platformed. Why is it that these individuals are frightened to go up against the common sense facts??

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/02/2019 11:02

Why are you suprised, it's the BBC.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/02/2019 11:08

oh good heavens

well it's another BBC complaint to add to my collection

if anyone else feels like raising this with the beeb, this links explains how to do it

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/

littlbrowndog · 18/02/2019 11:08

Well McKinnon blocks any and everybody on twitter
McKinnon just likes #nodebate

But shocking bbc gave in to it but no surprise
What is McKinnon afraid off ?

Women speaking ?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/02/2019 11:10

What is McKinnon afraid off ? Women speaking ?

It's not a fear, it's all about control and power.

TransposersArePosers · 18/02/2019 11:11

I'm not surprised, but I am disappointed. The BBC could have dis-invited RM instead! I am so sick of the women being sidelined.

There's a link to the segment on the FPFW facebook page for those who want to listen

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WeRiseUp · 18/02/2019 11:14

Controlling arseholes.

Melroses · 18/02/2019 11:18

www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/fairness/refusals-to-take-part

BBC's own published guidelines Hmm

RiverTam · 18/02/2019 11:19

the TRAs are bloody terrified of Nic, especially following the success of the FPFW campaign re prisons. Now her big guns are pointed at sport they know they don't stand a chance.

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 18/02/2019 11:20

It's against the BBC's own policy on people refusing to appear, too, as I understand it. WtF are the BBC doing pandering to tantrums and 'disinviting' people because other potential guests demand it?

If a politician refused to appear a alongside someone, there would be a comment to the effect that they had been invited but refused to appear. The politician wouldn't be pandered to, and rightly so.

Melroses · 18/02/2019 11:20

I can't see why they ever had the chance in sport anyway. What are all the sports bodies thinking of? It is like they have all been hypnotised.

littlbrowndog · 18/02/2019 11:22

But how has McKinnon got the power over the bbc.
I really don’t understand this
How can this person able to do this

TransposersArePosers · 18/02/2019 11:23

RM also said the Martina should not be employed by the BBC as a pundit because of her transphobic views and pointed out that Curt Shilling was fired from ESPN(?) for a less transphobic post.

RM comes across as a vile, controlling bully. It is hugely disappointing that this type of behaviour is being enabled by the BBC

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whatsthecomingoverthehill · 18/02/2019 11:38

I've complained too.

unitoast · 18/02/2019 11:39

which programme was it?

ErrolTheDragon · 18/02/2019 11:41

In this case I can sort of understand the BBC breaking its rules so that they could interview RM as that's who the story is specifically related to. However, for balance they surely must now give airtime to the other side of the story.

Popchyk · 18/02/2019 11:46

Listened to it.

3 blokes talking about how men should be able to compete in women's categories and anyone who objects is a transphobe. And no pesky female people to provide an alternative view.

I have complained.

RiverTam · 18/02/2019 11:48

from the BBC's guidelines, linked to by melroses above:

Anyone has the right to refuse to contribute to our output and it is not always necessary to mention their refusal. However, the refusal of an individual or an organisation to make a contribution should not be allowed to act as a veto on the appearance of other contributors holding different views, or on the output itself.

the BBC have repeatedly broken this guideline, as far as I can tell.

Popchyk · 18/02/2019 11:48

Stephen Nolan on 5Live.

Starts at 2.23

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002jbp

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/02/2019 11:53

have submitted my complaint. asked them

  1. to confirm that Nic was dropped as a result of McKinnon refusing to appear with her, and if so to explain how this complies with the guidelines Melroses linked to above

  2. pointed out that Nolan did not challenge any of McKinnon's replies, meaning that RM got to state their extremely controversial views unchallenged on BBC national Radio. Asked them to explain how this met the BBC standards for impartiality

I'll get a brush off of course. very used to being told to fuck off by the bbc now. but it might make them think twice if it's made awkward for them when they make these biased decisions

Needmoresleep · 18/02/2019 11:55

The BBC, like the Guardian, is its own echo chamber. Diversity training from Stonewall, LGBT staff groups, all with the emphasis on the T.

I think the Times/Spectator were effectively peak trans'd last year when editors saw the flaming reaction to carefully written articles by senior journalists. The Mail, obviously, was never PC and so had less of a journey to make.

The Guardian has a problem. They rely on donations, often from the US, not readership. Even a mild editorial last year suggesting there were potential conflicts received a massive push back from their US based staff. Without a proper reality check it will simply continue on its journey to irrelevance. Other papers will widen their editorial policies to chase former Guardian readers.

The BBC though is different. Having a national and impartial broadcaster is important. Editorial decision making seems to happen in some sort of woke bubble, with the priority aim seem to be chasing yoof with ADD, plus an occasional costume drama for oversea sales. Strictly and Masterchef, like Bake Off can be made by anyone. The BBC has a remit to educate. They should be challenging listeners. Not allowing a debate between Rachel and Nik, suggests that their listeners are not capable of, or should not be allowed to, make up their own minds. Which means that the sort of intelligent listeners, and this includes young people wanting to be stretched as well as old, who would be the first to argue the case to retain a licence fee, will not longer find the BBCs offerings attractive.

(A different debate here, but when chasing yoof I am not sure if broadcasters and advertisers realise how many young people are both tolerant, but also socially quite conservative. Things like the number who are teetotal, or the diminishing interest in the NUS. A specific example, but I suspect more young people get RoseofDawn than Lily Madigan. I tested the Martina article out on my DC and yes, it is an issue they find difficult, as balancing fairness and tolerance are difficult. There is sympathy for both Semenyer and for peers who believe they are "in the wrong body" but no desire to see women losing opportunities in sports and education because they are unable, physically, to compete. In short the sort of issue that the BBC should be covering in a balanced way to allow listeners to inform themselves. )

Oxytocindeficient · 18/02/2019 11:55

My god, the BBC really is coming across as the worst of a bad bunch. Utterly disgusting from them.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 18/02/2019 12:02

Oh poor Rachel, delicate little flower has to be protected from those nasty GC women talking to them. So brave and stunning. Sobs.

Datun · 18/02/2019 12:10

I can't help thinking it's yet another own goal.

Times have changed and no platforming is being recognised for what it is.

Plus, the BBC can side with McKinnon, whose bullying, unhinged antics are plastered across the Internet, Instead of Martina Navratilova, all they like.

It's not a good look for them.

Rachel Mckinnon has said that they are a biological women. I hope the BBC realise who they are endorsing.

littlbrowndog · 18/02/2019 12:13

McKinnon also said lesbians shoul£ get accustomed to cocks

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 18/02/2019 12:21

Totally agree Datun.

Biological woman, what does that even mean anymore when anyone with xy chromosomes can claim they are? Also sounds rather like a perfunctory brand of laundry powder.