FPFW disinvited from discussing Martina's comments on 5Live

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Nicola WIlliams was invited to speak about Martina's comments along with RM. This on the FPFW facebook page

We were then disinvited after Rachel McKinnon publicly refused to participate if we were included. We discussed this decision with editor Philo Holland explaining how this is a frequently used tactic to silencing opposing views. It contravenes BBC editorial guidelines to allow a guest to veto the appearance of another

So the BBC being biased again, what a surprise. And a GC voice being no platformed. Why is it that these individuals are frightened to go up against the common sense facts??

A friends son is a professional footballer, and spent his teenage years essentially boarding in a big name club's academy. Quite a lot of the other boys were from north and west Africa with little education. Sport was their passport to unbelievable riches, so when the cut came it was brutal. My friend agrees with me, that if the option were there to self ID as a woman and play, say, for Chelsea or Man Utd ladies, it would be very tempting. And these lads would be easily good enough. A very different motivation to sex -offenders in prison, but a motivation no less.

In short certain things are ring-fenced for women for good reasons. Self ID takes these away. At minimum this needs to be discussed. But clearly not at the BBC.

This is the text of my complaint to the BBC, feel free to nick anything useful. I ran out of room because I wanted to quote the full FPFW statement, but other complains might wish to go into detail on the bias issue.

Section 6.4.28 of the editorial guidelines states:

"the refusal of an individual or an organisation to make a contribution should not be allowed to act as a veto on the appearance of other contributors holding different views"

Fair Play For Women has released this statement, indicating a clear breach of this policy:
Yesterday afternoon our spokeswoman, Dr Nicola Williams, was booked onto BBC 5 Live's Stephen Nolan late news show to discuss Martina Navratilova's comments about trans participation in female sport. We were then disinvited after Rachel McKinnon publicly refused to participate if we were included. We discussed this decision with editor Philo Holland explaining how this is a frequently used tactic to silencing opposing views. It contravenes BBC editorial guidelines to allow a guest to veto the appearance of another. We were assured that Stephen Nolan was an experienced and tough interviewer and he would act as the challenging opposing voice. We were not satisfied with this and were offered a right to reply in a slot after midnight or in next Sunday's show. The interview went ahead without us with Rachel McKinnon and UK trans racing driver Charlie Martin.

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Furthermore Steve Nolan twice encouraged his interviewees to call for the sacking of his colleague Martina Navratilova from the BBC. Martina is an expert on the challenges faced by women in sport, to demand a colleague is sacked for discussing women's rights is pretty daft.

The entire interview was conducted in an uncritical manner. There was no attempt to examine the details of Martina's argument. Not challenging the motives of Rachel Mckinnon in particular, who has been widely accused of misogynistic bullying for her previous behaviour towards Martina (who she clearly despises) does give the appearance of bias.

This is normal. I’ve been involved in these types of stunts. If McKinnon refused to appear they cannot simply have Nic because of rules on impartiality. It comes across as one-sided.

So how is having just McKinnon left n without Nic ok then?!?

And if McKinnon wouldn't go on, ask someone else.

But it is the beauty of that tactic. None of them will go on.

And then you get non trans people claiming that women don't try hard enough. And people will just dismiss that opinion as having no weight, because it's so stupid.

You need a trans representative. And if they refuse to discuss it, what are you left with?

They are making the BBC look ridiculous.

Fortunately everyone is waking up to this. Whereas before the tactic was effective, now it's just seen as a tactic.

I have sent in a complaint to the BBC, much good it will do!
I have also shouted at the Radio so loudly (Radio 2, Jeremy Vine, testosterone in sport) that the cats jumped three foot in the air and shot out of the cat flap like cartoon characters.

Now it’s serious, start messing with my cats and you are on dodgy ground.
I’m exhausted and it’s only bloody Monday!

Nothing about this on either the 5Live TwitTurd or Nolan's own page.

We can only assume they will hear the other side of the story at a later date(?)

You'd have thought the Daily Mail would love a headline about the BBC letting guests veto other guests to avoid challenge.

I posted this on another thread. Has anyone taken a complaint through to
Ofcom. Perhaps now is the time to do it.
From Saturday's Times
The prevalence of soft news and “clickbait” on the BBC website will be examined during the biggest independent review ever taken of the corporation’s news output.

The media regulator Ofcom is investigating how the BBC is “adapting to the changing news environment”, including online. The review, to be published by the end of the year, will also monitor the BBC’s impartiality and analyse whether it remains trusted by audiences.
A BBC spokeswoman said: “Ofcom has yet to confirm the terms of reference for its review of the BBC’s news and current affairs output.

“The Cairncross review strongly supported the BBC’s role in providing high-quality, trusted and impartial news. It’s vital that people of all ages have access to impartial news which is relevant to them, and we provide younger audiences with a wide range of stories.”

Ofcom will assess the range and depth of news content across BBC TV, radio and online. A spokesman for the watchdog said: “We too want to see a healthy, vibrant news market that supports high-quality journalism.”

Its outrageous. The BBC must feel invincible. I am definitely up for a TV licence boycott.

I agree that the more public this gets the more people will see though the obvious and manipulative tactics.

I am baffled why, women particularly lesbians are disliked so much by the trans. folk. When they make such an effort and go through so much to be women themselves. Or is it just the transition from male to female rather than female to male that are so aggressive.

Because TRAs can't stand women who don't centre men, and you don't get much less man-centreing than being a lesbian.

Steve Nolan twice encouraged his interviewees to call for the sacking of his colleague Martina Navratilova from the BBC

WTF

Jane fae. Now a feminist
Madigan now a lesbian

Can’t stand women having things that they are not the centre off

It would be such an own goal, or the tennis equivalent, should the BBC fire someone over personal views expressed carefully in a major newspaper. Views which the vast majority of the public are likely to agree with.

According to their own figures, 2.8% of BBC senior management identify as transgender. Which is much higher than the rest of the population as a whole.

BBC Equality Information Report 2018

You cannot help but feel that this contributes to programming which affirms transgender ideology and silences those who put forward science-based arguments.

Women and women's groups are being routinely silenced at the BBC. Time for an investigation.

The BBC are behaving pretty horrifically in many areas at the moment. This is because they are under the government cosh. To me it comes directly back to the TRA power relationship with the Tory government.

But nonetheless .

For the first time ever I'm going to send a complaint to the BBC. There's good stuff above. I'm going to add to mine that as someone who has supported the TV Licence all of my life I'm now having doubts about its validity as I watch the BBC become willing to permit certain points of view and suppress others, especially in relation to contentious political matters.

For the first time ever I'm going to send a complaint to the BBC

it's a slippery slope nauticant

I'm now a twice a month woman

and toying with sending my second complaint of the day after seeing the segment about that poor little boy who does drag

2.8% of BBC senior management identify as transgender.

So roughly the same proportion as we find in prisons...

Pointless post as she struggles to think of a link.

justasking111

I am baffled why, women particularly lesbians are disliked so much by the trans. folk.

The are disliked by 'male lesbians'. Because they are targeted for sex by them.

A man who identifies as a woman and is attracted to women can't go after straight women, because straight women don't sleep with women. It's invalidating his identity.

So he has to go after lesbians. Because they will validate that he's a woman. And satisfy him sexually, because he likes women.

But lesbians don't sleep with men. Hence the bullying, intimidation, coercion etc.

And of course many of these men who identify as lesbians, won't sleep with other men who identify as lesbians.

Because sex matters.

But not if you're a woman. And certainly not if you're a lesbian.

I'm now a twice a month woman

Hahahaha. Yes, I know what you mean.

And I really can't imagine him asking football guests if Gary Lineker should be sacked by the BBC for talking about Brexit

Or forcing young healthy children to live off crisps. Exaggeration smiley.

It really does highlight where we are, doesn't it?

It perfectly encapsulates the problem in miniature.

Woman (Martina) talks about how men should not be allowed in the category for biological women in sports.

BBC plans a show with a male host and two transgender males with only one spot allocated to a women's group with expertise in the area. So the very outset was a planned 3:1 in favour of biological males.

One of the male guests declares that they won't discuss this with the woman invited. Therefore the BBC concludes that the woman should be barred from speaking.

Show goes ahead without the woman and the three men agree that women who don't want men in their women's sports are transphobic.

They call for a woman (Martina) to be sacked.

The BBC sees this as balanced programming.

This whole 'I refuse to debate my existence with transphobes' absolute bollocks is just showing up how chicken shit TRAs are, because they know that in the face of rational, reasoned debate they don't have a leg to stand on. Paris Lees is another one who constantly pulls it, carefully selecting which interviews they do.

When everyone knows that, if FPFW were actually the 'hate group' that they are painted as, then they wouldn't last 5 mins if they were 'shown up' for what they are. Look at what happened when Nick Griffin was in Question Time, it effectively heralded the end of the BNP. Or when 'Muslamic Ray Gun' EDL types go on Channel 4 News.

TRAs know that this wouldn't happen with FPFW etc and they have to do everything they can to stop the public from seeing these groups for what they are ie. groups of reasonable women who just want a debate about women's rights. Look what happened when Haddock went up against Posie on Sky News. TRAs simply cannot allow that to happen too much.

Nolan was not calling for Navratilova to be sacked any more than Navratilova was calling for pubescent males to be castrated.

He was poking his interviewee in a Bill Grundy 'Go on, say something BAD!' kind of way.