Trans Teen Survival Guide by Fox and Owl

[womensvoicesmatter]

I was curious what's being peddled to teens, so I got the book. I'm only a few pages in and pretty horrified, so I thought I'd share it with you lot.

(This might take some time though, I don't have a lot of free time right now!)

Even the inscription is enraging. The book is dedicated to their trans friend who committed suicide. It's not a subtle few words, it's a whol page including a cartoon of this person with a halo. And it says the book is based on the blog they wrote on tumblr.

While of course I'm sad for Fox and Owl that their friend died, and I recognise that to lose someone to suicide is a terrible trauma I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, I also think it's deeply irresponsible to start a book aimed at teenagers, lauding someone who killed themselves - especially given the popular myths and misuse of suicide stats about trans kids.

It makes me suspicious of the book before we've even started. What kind of propaganda lies within?

[Justhadathought]

A teenager isn't going to go looking for this book unless they feel they are transgender. Most people do not question their gender

On the contrary most people do question gender roles at some point in their life; when they feel what society expects of them is contrary to who they feel themselves to be.

The existence of a whole ideology around transgenderism, and books such as this is self reinforcing. Rather than enabling people to be who they are within their own natural and healthy body, this encourages people to seek medical and surgical solutions to the existential crises of identity and feelings about the self in society.

It is also selling a falsehood. That you can change your biological sex. In order to maintain this falsehood - everyone else must be coerced and silenced into submission, and the rights for privacy and dignity of biological women over-ruled.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

Most people do not question their gender

I'd disagree.

[LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD]

Of course kids who aren’t transgender will look at the book. It will get passed around groups of mates and teens being the rational, critical and sensible creatures that they are may well come to the conclusion that they are of the rainbow tribe.

Making stars out if people pushing such a rigid agenda - so not ‘find out who you are and be happy with this’ but you are trans you are trans and anyone who doesn’t support you is the enemy who knows fuck all but we - we who don’t know you and have never met you do know! It’s all good! It’s all great!

Questioning is not to be tolerated. Questioners are to be attacked. Really?

[ToeToToe]

A good parent should teach love not hate.

You're so right. A good parent should teach children that their body is perfect, and no matter which colours, toys, hairstyles or activities they like - it remains perfect.

Mermaids promote affirmation and transition - posts confirming this are all over Mermaids twitter feed. Mermaids push children onto a medicalised pathway, they advertise the services of illegal GP practices prescribing puberty blockers. All this is a matter of public record.

We say to children they do not need to change their healthy bodies to fit into societal gender stereotypes.

That's why the "born in the wrong body" narrative pushed by TRAs and Mermaids is so damaging.

Just as we don't push teens with anorexia to lose weight, we shouldn't push children who feel confused about their gender to change their bodies to "fit" into gender stereotypes.

[BernardBlacksWineIcelolly]

one minute you are talking about how blockers and hormones once taken, immediately stop the use of what is downstairs... then you are talking about them being a threat in the bathroom... How?

1. allowing the presence of some males in women's spaces normalises the presence of all males in women's spaces. The males who identify as women may not be a threat in themselves, but the open the door wide for men who are, making women less safe
   
   
2. I don't want to share single sex toilets or changing rooms with any men because it compromises my privacy and dignity.
   
   Are they going to be anymore of a threat than say someone like Rose West or Myra Hindley?
   
   Those people are highly unusual exceptions. 98% of sexual offenses are committed by men. There is no evidence that the offending rate among males who identify as women is any different. Which is not to say that all males who identify as women are sex offenders, any more that all men are. But does mean that the reasons we keep men out of a small number of places where women are vulnerable apply equally to males who identify as women and to men who don't identify as women

[OrchidInTheSun]

You're not looking in the right places jazzbunny. Have you read stuff on tumblr or reddit? There is a lot of encouragement for children questioning their gender to come out as trans. A lot.

[RockyFlintstone]

I read one comment that said, 'substitute trans with black and if what you've written sounds racists, then you are being transphobic'. Try it.


Maybe you could try this:

I am white but I feel black. I know I am a black person who was born in a white person's body. I am trans race. I am going to paint my face black, I'm going to tie my hair into corn rows, I'm going to change my name to Shaniqua, I'm going to wear lots of gold jewellery, I'm going to become really knowledgeable about hip hop and rap, I'm going to demand that I am shortlisted for awards that are meant for black people, I'm going to tell 'cis' black people how privileged they are that they were assigned the correct race at birth, I'm going to tell black people how exclusionary they are being for not including me in their activism, because you know, not all black people have black skin.

Offensive? Stereotyping? Totally unacceptable?

Or just someone being their 'authentic self'?

[HawayMan]

@Jazzbunny

Do you think it's possible for humans to change sex or be born in e wrong body?

[Bowlofbabelfish]

Most people do not question their gender

Of course they do. But most people are insightful enough, or thank goodness grew up before all this and came to realise that if they don’t fit nicely into the crap little boxes society wants women or men to fit into, them theres something too narrow about those boxes.

It takes ideology and grooming to make a child think theres something wrong with THEM.

Most people, almost all, have a period of questioning who they are, how they fit in, and how sex stereotypes fit with their personality. Those stereotypes are narrowing by the year. Why?

Why are we telling kids THEY are wrong, when we should be saying the sex stereotypes are wrong, and the kids themselves are just fine as they are?

There is nothing wrong with YOU. You are fine as you are. You are not norm in the wrong body. You cannot ever change sex. What’s wrong is the narrow set of stereotypes society expects from each sex. If that doesn’t fit with your personality then it’s not you who is wrong!

[Mitasuki42]

Ok so the debate here is about?
A book. Well the simple question if your have read the book you can coment aparently doesn't apply to this thread.
A way of life for familys in the uk.
Aparently not as there has been no open conversation around how familys work an deal with the day in day out of 'living with trans'
the authers intent well thats been talked about alot but very one sided. Any veiws from the auters.
open debate on the toliet issue yes lots of that. an can i add my wife would never hurt a fly shes a very kind soul but is scared to use the lady as she feers every female who would get there husbands to beet her up for being who she is. She is not a guy in the ladys she is a beutiful person who needs a wee. Thankfully im disables so she suports me an we use the accessable toliets but think of the trans kids that your hurting with your debate on toilets. Theres no debate about a trans male using the males toliets. Bit one sided as a debate.
What else hum youth clubs. how about you stop debating what an how. If this is about a book debate the book you have read. If its about slaming the book and puting negative posts up on amazon dont bother. Amazon will deleat reveiws if your slaming it without a verified sale. As for me as soon as i have funds im buying this for my child who has said they are nonbinary trans. Am i forcing them sown a medical route no. Am i shaming them or focing them in any way no. Do i just except them to find there own path in life an when there ready will suport them in what they want. Yes causes im a mum an my job is to suport my child not force them to be what there not.

So debate please the content of the book...... After you have bought it an read the full thing

[Bowlofbabelfish]

Yes causes im a mum an my job is to suport my child not force them to be what there not.

Our job is to protect our child.

What do you mean forcing them to be what they’re not? Do you believe they can actually change sex?

[DodoPatrol]

Mitasuki, the reason that we discuss the greater threat to females from males is because the threat IS greater from males to females. The situations aren't symmetrical because human males differ from human females; males are on average larger and have more muscle mass than females. You know this, if you pause to think about it. You really do.

(Unless you're Rachel McKinnon, who believes transwomen magically shrink in the wash, or something.)

[nauticant]

'substitute trans with black and if what you've written sounds racists, then you are being transphobic'. Try it.

"I believe that any person should be entitled to self-ID as trans black, no questions asked."

[NotANotMan]

my wife would never hurt a fly shes a very kind soul

That's nice for you but doesn't say anything about males as a class. Since women can't distinguish the kind souls from the dangerous predators by looking at them we need to exclude all males.

but is scared to use the lady as she feers every female who would get there husbands to beet her up for being who she is

Transwomen do not get beaten up in women's bathrooms. They do however make women and children feel uncomfortable at the very least. Your 'wife' should perhaps be less concerned with their own safety and moreso with the safety and comfort of the women whose space they are using.

She is not a guy in the ladys she is a beutiful person who needs a wee

If your wife is a Transwoman then regardless of how beautiful they are they shouldn't be using female facilities

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

but is scared to use the lady as she feers every female who would get there husbands to beet her up for being who she is.

Then she understands the threat males impose on females then doesn't she.
Do you honestly not see how this transfers to all women?
Do you not see how self ID means the men your wife is scared of can say they are women and get to her in female spaces too?
You must see how this isn't helping her?

[RockyFlintstone]

Mitasuki42

I will admit I have not read the whole book. However, I would like to know your view on the claim from the book that observing a baby's genitals at birth to determine their sex is 'Ew, gross, we know'.

And also the part about telling children that if their parents are not totally on board with the whole trans thing, that simply cutting contact is the best thing to do. Do you agree that alienating children from their families, telling children that their family doesn't really understand them, doesn't really care about them etc are tactics widely used by people who are trying to groom children. Do you recognise the parallels and do you think that telling children to cut contact with their families is the best advice, especially when that child may already be vulnerable?

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

Substitute trans with black and if what you've written sounds racists

Okay i will:
"Anyone who says they are Black is black, no debate, no questions!"

Doesn't really work does it?

[RockyFlintstone]

my wife would never hurt a fly shes a very kind soul

My husband would never hurt a fly, he is the kindest soul I have ever met. He still, quite rightly, can't go in the ladies loos because he is male. And also, other women don't know that he would never hurt them.

[ToeToToe]

You can read enough of it on Amazon 'look inside' to critique tbh. Anyone talking about sex "assigned at birth" should not be given any credence at all.

'Sex assigned at birth' is factually incorrect unscientific bunkum used to prop up an ideology that is dangerous to women and children. Your sex is determined at conception and cannot be changed.

Putting gender confused children on a lifelong medicalised pathway at such a tender age - to supposedly change their bodies to match their "gender identity" - is dangerous nonsense.

[RockyFlintstone]

Unless you're Rachel McKinnon, who believes transwomen magically shrink in the wash, or something

😂

[R0wantrees]

A teenager isn't going to go looking for this book unless they feel they are transgender. Most people do not question their gender

One of the repeated claims of trans rights' YouTube celebrities is 'if you are asking if you are transgender you probably are'

[Datun]

A teenager isn't going to go looking for this book unless they feel they are transgender. Most people do not question their gender.

This is why people like you are so dangerous. Most kids question their masculinity/femininity. Up until now, though, the next stage was not thinking they were the wrong sex. Because you are so old-fashioned, fresh out of the 1950s, thinking that gender roles must be assigned to a sex.

Praps you can account for the 4000% rise in children showing up to gender clinics?

Or the 76 children in one Brighton school, all coming out at once?

Maybe you subscribe to the theory of there being something in the water, that has recently been mooted it on here. Genuinely.

I don't want my daughter to be infertile, have no sex life, and be on drugs for the rest of her life, because she thinks she's the wrong sex, as she is butch.

Leave children alone.

[Mitasuki42]

Oh yess actual questions. Sex my childs sex i cant define that with out a blood test and dna evidence. How they identify i should not be defining. Assined gender refures to the gender given at birth which without a blood test could and sadly has been asigned wrong. Watch call the midwife catch up. As for advisibg children to cut ties with family who dont except then. How about you talk to the children who have been thrown out of there homes becouse there not accepted. Becouse there gay, bi, trans