Posie Parker in the USA

[lucydo]

I am aware that there already long threads on this, but would anyone mind just giving me the basic information about what so many people are objecting to? Is it just that she has attended an event run by a Right Wing organisation? Or is there more?
It just looks like a pile-on by left-wingers on my twitter feed.
In all events, it's a TRA dream - divide and rule.
Again, before anyone flames me, I know that there are 2 long threads on this, but I gave up the will to read them after people going on about breakfasts for post after post.

I've seen various postings on Facebook from Posie and on Twitter from Jane Clare Jones

Jane Clare Jones, Kathleen Stock, Rosa Freedman, Louise Moody and others have publicly condemned Posie's actions. And I know who I would rather support quite frankly. I don't care how many crying videos she does. Katie Hopkins did the same thing when going on her racist tour of Belgium and South Africa.

Sarah McBride is a well paid political lobbyist currently engaged in a well-funded campaign to remove women's rights and medicalise children who lack the capacity for informed consent.

There is a difference between haranguing ordinary people at their place of work and heckling people who are well remunerated in their choice of entering a career in politics

Context matters.

This context is very important, so too the reasons that women be both angry and determined to raise such important issues.

Recent event:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Zh-j243Mg

these were very powerful & important speeches by the people on panel concerned for children and women.
Hopefully people will watch and react to the content.
(it 's difficult to imagine anyone who watches the event not being very concerned, angry, determined and admiring of all those who spoke)

Julia Beck
Writer, Producer at Women's Liberation Radio News, and Former Member of the Law and Policy Committee of Baltimore City's LGBTQ Commission

Jennifer Chavez
Lawyer and Board Member of the Women's Liberation Front

Kara Dansky
Board Member of the Women's Liberation Front

Hacsi Horvath
Adjunct Lecturer in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco and Formerly Identified as Transgender

Hosted by
Ryan T. Anderson Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow in American Principles and Public Policy

SandyDrawsBadly wrote
www.facebook.com/theposieparker/videos/2369584096494890/?notif_id=1548694852085872¬if_t=live_video

"This certainly puts things in context."

The outrage on twitter is laughable. The same names I saw defend Tara Wolf for assaulting a 60 year old woman, saying nothing about constant violent threats from TRAs, ignoring masked protestors blocking meetings are suddenly disgusted, heartbroken, don't feel safe because 2 women dared to ask a few questions of an individual who is trying to fundamentally change the law. Harrop even tagged in the terrorism police. But I'm seeing people asking questions about this now so well done as far as I'm concerned.

PP didn't break any laws and didn't harm anyone, and the further context about the meeting she went into as detailed upthread is interesting. Not all of us are on the Left - in fact, given voting demographics, there are probably more GC women who are Right-leaning. If we try to police the groups they associate with, they have the same right to criticise ours too. We can all only do what we each see fit.

in my opinion Posies crying video baffled me frankly. ‘Woman were in bits as their daughters had their boobs cut off and won’t speak to them anymore, that’s why I’m here’ was all she kept repeating.
I don’t think Posie cared about their daughters when she was calling for them to be sterilised.
Also when she talks about those ‘poor mothers’ she forgets to mention why people are outraged. Maybe mothers of daughters that the heritage foundation have harassed outside of abortion clinics after being raped, maybe poor mothers who the heritage foundation don’t think should have help to leave abusive husbands, perhaps lesbian mothers who the heritage foundation don’t want to be able to marry their partners, or maybe Hispanic mothers who were told by the heritage foundation that neither themselves, their children or grandchildren will ever have an IQ as high as a white person. Maybe mothers that know that they are talking about them and their children when they discuss ‘draining the swamp’

Trumps America has created a very scary time for American woman, their rights are being severely threatened and people like the heritage foundation are right there helping to take them away. in my opinion collaborating with these people, shows a disregard for the majority of woman, in order to ‘protect’ from a minority of men.

The harassment of the activist, whilst not as bad as what TRA have done, is again another step towards where all of this is eventually going to go if everyone keeps making excuses for it.

PP didn't break any laws and didn't harm anyone, and the further context about the meeting she went into as detailed upthread is interesting.

It was pretty unpleasant, even if such behaviour is okay in the US.

Not all of us are on the Left - in fact, given voting demographics, there are probably more GC women who are Right-leaning.

Maybe that's true. It's not something I want any involvement in then though. It's not a huge surprise from the tone of some comments on here. I don't believe that what Posie Parker is fighting for will make the world a better place and it certainly won't for more marginalised groups of women.

I agree with you, Earlywalker. The whole thing has left a very nasty taste. The trans issue is frankly miniscule in the various threats and disadvantages that women face across the globe. It really is not the be all and end all compared to other horrific state policies such as Universal Credit or reproductive rights. But for Posie, it is the only issue and that is because Posie is not really a feminist and most definitely not a radical one.

So funky, what are women who ate not left leaning feminists supposed to do. Simply accept the taking away of our rights and the safeguarding of our children, because our lack of 'purity' meams we are worthless.

Women like you make me very angry indeed. What gives you the right to dictate.

Unlike some, I cannot see into anyone's soul so I have no idea whether Posie cares or not. Frankly I don't really care. Nor do I care whether she's a feminist, let alone a radical one. My concern is purely whether or not she has crossed a line between legitimate protest and personal intimidation.

But women don't have to be nice do they? I believe that's a significant part of the problem - our enforced niceness in the face of such horrendous threats and attacks against us. I also don't see a problem in being part of a movement with other women who have different views on politics. Don't get me wrong, I cba with a few of the balloonheads, but having a blanket purity policy doesn't help anyone.

But for Posie, it is the only issue and that is because Posie is not really a feminist and most definitely not a radical one.
This is may be your opinion.
Or there may of course be other motivations for posting such statements.

15/11/18
Posie Parker's speech
'Where I am, where we are and where we can be?'

“I know who I’d rather support.”

Yeah. Maybe. But I’m capable of weighing up the various actions of people and able to support some actions and not others without making it a black and white with us or against us split as life is more nuanced than that.

There’s not one single woman that I agree with on everything. There’s not one single woman I could point out who hasn’t, at some point, done something I disagree with, or strongly agree with, or think is shitty or think is marvellous.

No one is completely right on everything or anything and frankly I’m bewildered by anyone who thinks they’re the arbiter of what is and isn’t acceptable feminism.

Maybe that's true. It's not something I want any involvement in then though.

Self-ID affects all women, though, whether they're left or right wing. Yes, women who are on the far right, Trump supporters, homophobes, whoever else - may agree that woman = adult human female. They probably also agree that the sky is blue. Arguing that it isn't because you don't want to be on the same side as those nasty women whose politics you dislike doesn't make any sense.

It's an issue that affects all women, so why shouldn't they all - including those whose other views you vehemently disagree with - have a say?

I agree, this is about all women, not just the ones we like or admire. I know who I would rather support quite honestly sounds just as vacuous to me as 'the wrong side of history'.

Like I've said upthread, I can't play the video so I've yet to make up my mind, but I'm unimpressed to see this has been framed as if McBride was being harassed while going about their private business.

Flo she’s sat at a laptop with a man, typing something in an empty room. Enter Posie...

Women like you make me very angry indeed. What gives you the right to dictate.

When I express my opinion, that is it. It is my opinion. I am not dictating and you are perfectly free to do as you like. All I am saying is that a right-wing movement that joins forces with anti-feminist groups is not for me and I don't think that this issue is the major one facing women. You disagree and that is fine. Neither of us is dictating.

Like I've said upthread, I can't play the video so I've yet to make up my mind, but I'm unimpressed to see this has been framed as if McBride was being harassed while going about their private business.

Watch it and see, but that's definitely how it comes across...

It may (as always) be worth waiting for the wider context.

I think it's the purity politics of PP & JL which provide the context to criticism of them. They don't have a history of bridge-building with gender critical feminists they disagree with. Other women have been scolded or even publicly protested or derided by them for working with gender critical men, or with liberal feminists, or for mixed organising.

If they had a history of working with others they disagree with for a perceived greater good, I'd be more inclined to believe that is what is happening this time. As it is, I find it difficult to extend a generosity to them that they do not extend to others.

What annoys me is that TRA’s assault woman, threaten to bomb venues, harass women, verbally abuse, threaten with rape, dox, physically deface monuments and report to GC people to the police just for wanting to discuss an issue that will have a profound effect on the lives of women and children and there is tumble weeds from the likes of Chelsea Clinton and her ilk. There is hardly any jumping up and down from the media. Yet Posie and Julia ask a few questions to someone who is pushing an agenda that will harm a lot of women and it’s like the end of the world and a great injustice has incurred. The world has gone mad.

I don't really understand the handwringing over confronting someone who is a paid political lobbyist whose mission is to remove existing rights and protections for women.

So what if it's a bit rude?

I recall that the young woman who confronted Jeff Flake in a Senate elevator a few months back and yelled at him about the sexual abuse she suffered was hailed as brave and heroic.

Politics is a dirty business and being 'nice' 100% of the time won't achieve much. This is going to be a battle fought on many fronts.

If they had a history of working with others they disagree with for a perceived greater good, I'd be more inclined to believe that is what is happening this time. As it is, I find it difficult to extend a generosity to them that they do not extend to others.

True. I also would question someone who thinks that things like help for DV and provision of safe abortion is something that they can compromise on 'for the greater good'. I wonder if Julia realises that there are also plenty of right-wing Christian groups who help mothers who are weeping because their daughters have been 'indoctrinated' into the 'cult of lesbianism'.

If you were a group fighting for racial equality, would you ever join forces with a white pride group? Surely it undermines the very essence of your argument.

I don't think Posie's tactics are helpful to the cause if I'm honest. I'd favour respectful debate over what looks like harassment.

There is no cause.

Just thousands of worried, concerned, frightened and angry women.

No-one can contain this.

It's going to reach too many people who disagree with you, fundamentally, on everything else you stand for.

Because, the goal is, it reaches most people, right?