Posie Parker in the USA

[lucydo]

I am aware that there already long threads on this, but would anyone mind just giving me the basic information about what so many people are objecting to? Is it just that she has attended an event run by a Right Wing organisation? Or is there more?
It just looks like a pile-on by left-wingers on my twitter feed.
In all events, it's a TRA dream - divide and rule.
Again, before anyone flames me, I know that there are 2 long threads on this, but I gave up the will to read them after people going on about breakfasts for post after post.

Maybe you could google "Heritage Foundation" and decide for yourself whether you think it's a feminist organisation.

Also, "Posie" and her pal harassed a trans woman at her place of work, to say nothing of the upset this must have caused to the trans woman's co-workers.

Why don’t you
Now dfod

My enemy's enemy is not always my best friend.

Don’t shoot me if I get it wrong, but my understanding is there’s a bout of historical unease with Posie because she’s been critical of how women are treated in other religions.

The accusations about this trip is that it’s been paid for by the far right, as reported in the Pink News and that she’s hobnobbing with fascists, notably because she is attending a panel (ie just in the audience) hosted by a USA right wing org called the heritage foundation.

So I think the first accusation is just untrue. Pink News quoted Jean Hatchet, the lady who rides to raise money for murdered women. But I follow jeans twitter and she was very clear Posie paid for her own trip. Pink news published the allegations after she made this clear. I think the only explanation is that they are purposefully slurring Posie.

I watched the panel heritage performance. You could see from the audience shots Posie was there, but I’m a lifelong socialist and feminist, and could see no problem with attending. All the speakers were left wing. I thought it was important content that needs to be aired. It’s available online if you want to check. It’s harrowing stuff but worth watching 😢

Hey lucy

Im sure someone will be on in a minute to explain properly

But i think basically it boild down to some people thinking its wrong to coordinate with a right wing organisation whose policies are unfeminist even one one subject which affects wormen as a class

Others think any help on this one subject is welcome and that differences on other matters shouldn't mean that organisations can't work together

Oh look how long it took me to type that

I was initially dismayed by the post that Jean wrote. But having seen the panel (excellent) and considering it was impossible to find another organisation to host them, I think it's understandable. 'Purity' is a luxury we can't afford, and the left, it seems, won't listen to us, despite that that being our natural home, well mine anyway

that's what I thought new.
Thanks all for the answers, so, unless someone can disabuse me, it's a case of the search for idealogical purity.
Let's see how well that works, seeing as the Left is antagonistic towards women on this issue.

Maybe you could google "Heritage Foundation" and decide for yourself whether you think it's a feminist organisation.

It is a faith based organisation who fight against infanticide amongst other things:

I'm not a fan of her. But I'm not outraged either. She's doing what she thinks best. The main problem is that stunts like the one yesterday are going to be used to invalidate all GC arguments. It's much easier to provoke an emotional response in people (nasty bully targeting someone at work) than engage in rational discussion.

This is not a party political issue

It’s a women’s rights issue

Refusing to work with people who share our interests in this area would deprive us of a valuable source of support

But people are allowed boundaries and if they don’t want to go along with this that’s ok too

the Left is antagonistic towards women on this issue.

Which means, for those on the left, stay with the left and actively work against women on this issue, or work with those who agree on this one issue even though you may disagree with their views on just about everything else.

It's always going to be a compromise, but if women lose the ability to define ourselves as a class, it is the first step to losing all our other rights.

Watch the actual video of the talk, which should include the Heritage Foundation Chairs pre-amble. Linked above.

I watched it, and I am extremely grateful to the Heritage foundation for providing a platform for discussion of the issues.

I would characterize the content of what was said as left leaning radical feminist.

Even questions from the audience were very supportive.

Its good to get out of your echo chamber from time to time.

There seems to be some pushback on Twitter regarding this.

I don't think Posie's tactics are helpful to the cause if I'm honest. I'd favour respectful debate over what looks like harassment.

Well when you do your direct action Sugar, that’s the way you should do it then

Refusing to work with people who share our interests in this area would deprive us of a valuable source of support

AFAICS the only politicians in the UK that are supporting women in this are right wing, the left doesn't give a shit about women as long as they can virtue-signal. So why should women eschew any group that will give them a chance to be heard?

So what if Posie doesn't agree with everything that every other woman in the world thinks? So what if you think some of her views are wrong? If you agree with the main thing she's fighting for - women's rights - then support her in that.

It is a faith based organisation who fight against infanticide amongst other things

I noticed on one of the newspaper reports linked on the surrogacy thread the other day that they quoted an anti-abortion group as a group who were opposed to surrogacy.

The world is not quite as clear-cut and black and and white as the TRAs would like it to be.

Bernard I don't think a video of storming into someone's workplace and bullying them is helpful. That's just my opinion.

For whatever reason some people seem to think only left wing feminists have a right to speak out about women being erased. So object when women who dont meet their definition speak out. I wonder why.

The problem here seems to be that left leaning groups would not provide a platform, so GC women took advantage of the platform that was offered...without compromising their views or message.

Per we should all be good women and wait till invited by those who control the left leaning platforms. If so we may be waiting a long time.

Thanks all for the answers, so, unless someone can disabuse me, it's a case of the search for idealogical purity.

Yes. With some personal conflict added in.

In my view, there's room for everyone and we don't have to agree on the best alliances and/or tactics, just as long as we're all at least trying to do something in our own way.

Also: right wing women are women.

I'd like to see some solutions offered to our American sisters rather than roundly criticising them.

We in the UK have pushed and pushed and pushed and managed to get our message out there, because we already have laws in place to protect us (EA 2010) and we found out about self id before it was quietly slipped through.

America is very different and many states have already created self id type laws without anyone knowing about it.

Girls as young as 13 are getting double mastectomies. The media celebrates this, there is no criticism anywhere.

These parents are utterly silenced. They have nowhere else to turn.

The time for purity politics is over. Besides, do you think the tra's stick to one side of the political divide? No. They are everywhere, influencing policies from all sides.

So I watched the video link. Where does the Heritage foundation fit in with this? Are they opposing the Bill? (which, on the basis of the clip, seems reasonable)

"I don't think a video of storming into someone's workplace and bullying them is helpful. That's just my opinion."

I think a little extra information is needed here. The person was NOT "ambushed" at their workplace, because the meeting which Posie and the other woman went into was held at the Senate building, a public place, and as someone on the following Facebook page points out, a lobbyist does not have the Senate as a place of work, that is the place where they go to push the agenda of the body paying them.
I have absolutely no doubt, that had that been someone's workplace, particularly in the US, then armed guards would have been called pretty quickly.

www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2373401289446504&set=a.2064285087024794&type=3&theater

The time for purity politics is over.

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lucydo

I've been collecting videos and photos of the efforts here, and this thread has stayed pretty information-focused (people are doing their arguing elsewhere) and not too long. So if you'd like to understand how all the efforts are fitting together, please take a look:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3490776-Women-Stand-Up-in-Washington-D-C