Posie Parker in the USA

[lucydo]

I am aware that there already long threads on this, but would anyone mind just giving me the basic information about what so many people are objecting to? Is it just that she has attended an event run by a Right Wing organisation? Or is there more?
It just looks like a pile-on by left-wingers on my twitter feed.
In all events, it's a TRA dream - divide and rule.
Again, before anyone flames me, I know that there are 2 long threads on this, but I gave up the will to read them after people going on about breakfasts for post after post.

If tribalism was going to make women heard it would have done by now.

This.

Materialist, Elizabeth, Anne

Please don't go. We are losing far too many women on this forum, over this issue.

This forum is important. There are too many women on here and it's too well known for it not to be.

In the time I've been looking at this issue, I have never seen fissures such as the ones happening now.

That's partly to do with Posie's modus operandi but also, significantly, to do with the difference between the US and the UK way of doing things. And why.

There are simply huge numbers of supportive but scared, concerned and upset women who don't understand politics, much less the significance in the differences between the UK and US.

We are in desperate need of as much in-depth knowledge as we can access.

Having said that, if this is for the sake of your mental serenity, I don't want to put any pressure on you obvs.

Thank you.

OrchidInTheSun

"I wish you would stay Anne. I really value your POV and your insights. You are such a valuable poster."

Agree.

Radio Interview with Posie Parker about the reasons for her & Julia Long's confrontation of Sarah MacBride:

wxde.streamon.fm/listen-pl-3651

AnneHutchison.

It is not an assumption that you write like a conservative. You do.

And after the 2010 conservative electoral sweep up until today, elected conservatives have been adding their voices to such fine causes as banning the word "uterus" because it is unseemly, and suggesting women register their menstrual cycles so the state could be sure the woman didn't have an abortion. And the "principled support" for personhood laws that void a woman's right to own her own body.

Not to mention opposing the payment of birth control through insurance, the wage equality act, the violence against women act, etc etc, and then denying there was a war on women.

Conservatives are going to stop gender madness? Not until they get their cut. That's what I'm saying, and once again, it is not an assumption. It's also not an assumption is that the left will react, and it will become yet another mired down partisan cause with bad policy results.

That's the real state of play in the US. This isn't tribalism. It's triangulation, and the other side will play it too.

Feminism? Waal, that can wait .... message edited by MNHQ as it contained potentially identifying information

''Feminism? Waal, that can wait .''

Yup. In fact, look at the forces who emerge from this in 12 months time and check whether there are any of the women from the systems discussed, whether those systems are important to whatever 'movements' emerge.

We have just seen a demonstration of how women and the systems we discussed remained marginalised and its not confined to one side.

The tribalism is aout existing political forcves, institutions.

At the end of the day left, right, media feminism...forty years consensus maintained. It was inevitale this movement would show how that happens. The inevitability of it is depressing.

Its worth listening to the radio interview by PP and the reasons why she describes herself as a woman's rights activist rather than a feminist activist.

Its worth listening to the radio interview by PP and the reasons why she describes herself as a woman's rights activist rather than a feminist activist.

I find the notion that she has to a) say she is feminist b) in doing so fit within existing media feminist hierarchies and frameworks and thinking c) therefore all actions have to be assessed on basis of threat to the left, fucking bizarre.

Whatever I might think why on earth should Posie say she holds with a way of htinking the people demanding her denouncement are asking for? Its not just about the fact that right wing women are women its that appointing yourself the conduit women have to use to discuss inequality is fucking batshit and was only allowed by media.

Am really sorry but there are God complexes going on here. No Posie does not have to call herself a feminist to act for herself, to act for women how she sees fit, no she does not hve to ask permission from a bunch of women who appear to have managed to get a very cushy and lengthy good deal identifying as a feminist while womens rights are being decimated and dont seem to have noticed, and no woman has to ask permission of the elite feminists screaming to discuss inequality.

Is this why not a peep was heard with austerity? Oh yes it was. Becayuse the left and feminists said we were not allowed to discuss it without reference to them., Noone ever explained y what authority, something to do with being posh, having mates at the Guardian, and that was it.

Am sorry but its disgusting and the tribalism on show is telling wome a great deal and its informative about how htings have been, but its nothing to do with anything useful for anyone and never has been.

Who do I audition to and what criteria am I required to meet before I am allowed to discuss inequality women face and act for myself or other women? And are we allowed to byass this in an emergency? Say a response to a financial crisis that removes ability of women to leave abuse? Maybe after a certain number of dead women? Or is this a permanent checkpoint and there is no bypassing it?

LisaMugeridge sorry, that was a cross post, I was responding to a previous post to yours.

Never heard of Emily Zinos, but I noticed most of those USA antiabortionist people do it for their own egos, as couldn't care about children born into unhappy circumstances, or all those confused adopted people spending lots of time and money searching for their identity.
I also think USA activists are very different to European. Everybody hates everybody else in the USA. They think they're the only nation with free speech, so should shoot their mouths off at everybody for the sake of it, and instead of realising what rest of the world does with how annoying Americans are, the USA men and women blame each other. USA women tell men they're disgusting if not mutilated as a baby for non medical reasons, and many young USA males spend their time online saying they don't want women, but instead of leaving women alone, they spend their time trying to make women feel bad and others to be abusive towards women.